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1793 Flowing Hair - Chain Cent

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 Posted 06/04/2011  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Well...it's a shame when collectors join this forum only to get "bad news", even if helpful advice.
A trusted TPG should make the final call on authenticity. I hope they'll have good news for you.
TPGs may be accurate on authentication but they're not ominpresent. Forums like CCF are invaluable to share knowledge, educate ourselves, and to develop a critical eye towards coins. We can't take any coin at face value these days.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list
That is why I am hesitant to call it a fake as this is not my area of specialty. But I looked through Breen and some auction records and do not find this die variety.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list
My suggestion to you would be to go to a big coin show and take it to a TPG there. I know we have one coming to town in a few weeks and PCGS is always there. They give verbal opinions and have been very helpful to me. The one lady that did mine said she was 100% certain my three legged buffalo was authentic and she would submit it for me. I just wanted to make sure it was real since I put it into a folder. Still extremely helpful.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
I did a little more legwork, and looked up the die pairs for the 1793 chain cent.
There are just 4 die pairs (S-1 to S-4), where the date postion/styles are covered by my group of pics on page 1.

Here's an updated pic of the 4 die pairs date positions:

1793-Flowing-Hair---Chain-Cent
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06/04/2011 3:06 pm
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 Posted 06/04/2011  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list
wow great photos and reading, lots of comments on the 3 and 9 how come no comments on the thingy on-top front of 7 not on die set photos ? will TGP do an alloy test?
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 Posted 06/04/2011  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list
Well, that pretty much solidifies it as fake, unless there is some weird exception. That is really too bad. Do you remember where you got it Brickellcat? Any chance you could return it?
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 Posted 06/04/2011  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Tom Reynolds could tell you instantly without even sending it to a TPG. Send him these pics and weight of the coin.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Tom Reynolds is an Early American Copper specialist, very knowledgeable

http://www.earlycoppers.com/
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 Posted 06/04/2011  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Bob, I was at Long Beach yesterday drooling at his table...I have no words, just wow.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BrickellCat to your friends list
Vermon... I took your advice and emailed the photos to Tom Reynolds.
P.S. The weight is 13.38 grams.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Brickellcat,
Good move. He is IMO, the premier expert on early copper. If anyone will know, he will. You may not get an answer till early this week as he is at a show right now. Please post his findings here :-)
It's certain aspects of the coins diagnostics which concern us.
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06/04/2011 11:03 pm
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 Posted 06/04/2011  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BrickellCat to your friends list
Well Tom replied with the bad news that it's a fake. This coin is part of my Father's collection and he has no memory of where he got it. I don't think I'll tell him what I found out. Thanks for all the replies and research.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Wow,
I'm amazed he replied that quickly.
Hey, at least you know now and you didn't pay a TPG fee.
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 Posted 08/22/2015  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 732amran to your friends list
The obverse----ha ha Engraved--100% date en all hair-ect. Off the bat I see --lolol lol-ly
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 Posted 08/22/2015  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 732amran to your friends list
Coin is Genuine --but Totally engraved. Neat work though not researched befor he worked so hard on it--lol
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