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Real & Fake 1934-35 Florin Guessing Game

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 Posted 04/25/2012  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sovereign Debt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The diameter itself won't help determine authenticity. I just measured all my real & copy coins with vernier calipers & they were all 28.5mm. You'll have to rely on the other physical characteristics discussed in this thread.
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 Posted 05/05/2012  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Real-&-Fake-1934-35-Florin-Guessing-Game
Real-&-Fake-1934-35-Florin-Guessing-Game

Anyone care to take a punt on this one? Real or fake?
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 Posted 05/05/2012  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bellyflorin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi wwww ,i smell a rat , the reverse is lacking a lot of detail horse tail, mane ect, it looks like it's missing some flames behind the head of the rider, the wear on the reverse is on some strange places ,not in the correct high spots.
The toning looks like they it covered in Vegemite or something and over fried it, and they forgot to turn it over to the obverse.lol

The obverse lacks details too, so much less wear than the reverse makes it look like they mixed up the photos from another coin.
ok going by those pics a sneaky fake for me , would like to see in hand tho

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 Posted 05/05/2012  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Real-&-Fake-1934-35-Florin-Guessing-Game

Hi wwwwww,As Belly said the obverse strike is way too weak but the reverse has obvious signs of it being a FAKE.
The top 2 arrows I've put into the pic to show obvious lack of detail & these are the 2 spots I always take particular notice to ,if a coin lacks these 2 details I don't bother looking any further just hit the back or report button, the flame in front of the riders eyes is cut short,the 3 dots in front of the riders chin are wrong as well ( they are too evenly spaced ) & the loop that joins to the back of the riders neck/shoulder is missing,the others arrows are the strange lumps all over that should'nt be there but that should be obvious to any potential buyer of these coins.
As Belly has pointed out the lack of detail in the tail is obvious as well.
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 Posted 05/05/2012  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sovereign Debt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My fake detecting critical factor is, if the back of the king's robe doesn't reach the rim, it's definitely a fake. That's not to say that one day they won't fix their die so there are other points that need to be taken into account if the coin passes that test. Next I start checking the serifs & the state of the rider's hand resting on the horse.

On wwww's coin the robe area has been (deliberately?) obscured by stains but in this photo, it doesn't seem to reach the rim. The lettering & associated serifs seem a bit blobby to me & aren't as graceful (thin) as I'd like. The rider's resting hand is indistinct either through weak minting (which wouldn't be usual for this coin) or wear (again, these coins weren't essentially circulated -- any that did start circulating were quickly removed from circulation).

So these points tend to indicate that this isn't authentic & the horrible stain & greater wear on the reverse than on the obverse only add to that. Even if it were real, it's still horrible.
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 Posted 05/05/2012  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with all of the above. The first thing I usually look at is the riders left hand on the horse (for lack of detail)and the back of the kings robe not reaching the rim.

As a comparison though I would be interested in seeing a genuine but worn coin to see how that compares to the fakes
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 Posted 05/07/2012  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And you'd all be correct, it's a modern fake that has been artificially toned. It's on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Florin-Aust...em2a1d08442d

I've already reported it, I hope others do too.
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to be fair wwwww, at least the last one says copy-
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 Posted 05/07/2012  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bellyflorin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
same seller different IDs , sells craaap ,
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same seller different IDs


Is there anyway to tell if the different ID's belong to the same seller on Australian ebay?,i gave a seller a negative FB for a shonky coin and shortly after a buyer gave me negative FB for a $2 coin(that was worth $10)along with a cryptic message which seemed to indicate some sort of payback.
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 Posted 05/09/2012  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've already reported it, I hope others do too.
I reported both, but somehow I doubt that ebay gives a fig. All talk and no action, just like a toothless tiger!
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 Posted 09/18/2012  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That one actually looks real to me, just heavily circulated.
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real: 1,3,5
fake: 2,4,6
i remember reading an article about fake centenary florins and showed you how to tell them apart they were the lettering were aligned between beads, detail behind the kings head and the one I remember most being the detail on the rider's hand on the horse the fake will look like a blob while the real one will be detailed showing fingers although these indicators become harder to define as the coin becomes more worn particularly in 2 and 6 but on higher grade coins it is much easier to pick out these differences
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