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Why Do We Need Large Denomination Currency In Canada?

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 Posted 07/19/2012  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think Sel said it best.

And glenzy, seeing that you're a retired RCMP (correct me if I'm wrong) that you're entirely biased about large denominations being used for crimes. The $20 bill is faked more often than other bills because people hardly check the security features on those. (Actually, I once had a clerk check my $10 bill so I checked my $5 change back. There's very little trust these days. How do you know those credit cards weren't stolen or fraudulent?)

I agree that cards take up way more time than is required. I pretty much cringe when the people ahead in line use those slow things. I also disagree with cell phone cash (giving people money with just touching cell phones) because how do you know that hackers won't take advantage of this remotely?

Cash is reality. I don't care about "points"; this isn't a game show. Nothing is "free" - it's paid for. It's like free crack or even coffee cards where you buy 10 get ONE free; the whole game is simply to get you hooked on their product and to keep on consuming to get one "free" item. It's not free because you've been paying into it the whole time.
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 Posted 07/19/2012  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Cash is reality. I don't care about "points"; this isn't a game show. Nothing is "free" - it's paid for. It's like free crack or even coffee cards where you buy 10 get ONE free; the whole game is simply to get you hooked on their product and to keep on consuming to get one "free" item. It's not free because you've been paying into it the whole time.


You're right it isn't free. I have seen a study done on this and it's actually a tax on the poor. How is that so? Generally, the poor use cash because they don't have credit. Retailers jack up prices to cover the use of credit cards.
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 Posted 07/19/2012  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyalSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I bought everything with cash for the past 5 years...i would have the same things and ZERO points. I bought the SAME things with CC (for the exact same price) and I have 40,000 points. Thats roughly $350 in a gift card of my choice...
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 Posted 07/20/2012  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another thing is credit cards provide convenience. I can buy stuff online and fill up my car with gas w/o having to walk inside to pay. If my wallet is stolen I shut off the credit card...no harm. But the cash is long gone. Just a few points...what is convenience worth to you?
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 Posted 07/20/2012  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Senex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I agree that cards take up way more time than is required.

Well, I don't know what the procedure is in Canada but here in the States we just swipe the card and maybe punch in a PIN or electronically give a signature and that's it.
No fumbling with bills and coins or waiting for the cashier to give change.
Very easy-peasy.
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 Posted 07/20/2012  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swrbxxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still dont understand how people can use a CC for points. Like Libertad said

"Cash is reality. I don't care about "points"; this isn't a game show. Nothing is "free" - it's paid for. It's like free crack or even coffee cards where you buy 10 get ONE free; the whole game is simply to get you hooked on their product and to keep on consuming to get one "free" item. It's not free because you've been paying into it the whole time."

Lets put this in a real life situation, I just got a in-ground pool installed. The cost quoted was $18,000 plus HST another $2,340, for a total of $20,340 now lets just say I considered putting this on a credit card and got my 2% back that would be a whopping total of $406.80.

I mentioned to the company owner if I would get a better deal if I paid in cash. $17,000 was the cash quote. So because I paid with cash I saved $3,340.

That beats any type of free $$$, or gift cards I would get back.
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 Posted 07/20/2012  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Lets put this in a real life situation, I just got a in-ground pool installed. The cost quoted was $18,000 plus HST another $2,340, for a total of $20,340 now lets just say I considered putting this on a credit card and got my 2% back that would be a whopping total of $406.80.

I mentioned to the company owner if I would get a better deal if I paid in cash. $17,000 was the cash quote. So because I paid with cash I saved $3,340.


2 things: 1 example doesn't prove your point. Secondly, you don't know if the guy is pocketing the money and not reporting it to the IRS or whatever your tax people are called in Canada.
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 Posted 07/20/2012  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swrbxxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My example proves my point. I can make purchases day in and out and save by using cash, and when it comes to larger purchases obviously cash is king. Like seriously who buying items for less than $10.00 on a credit card I shake my head to those type of people. Credit cards for the most part just lead to more debt with more people feeding the pockets of huge faceless corporations.

2) I got a receipt of my purchase. I don't care if the guy pocketed the cash, claimed it, I dont care if he blew it on beer, drugs, and strippers. That is between him and Revenue Canada not myself.
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 Posted 07/20/2012  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am 33 years old and have credit cards since I was 15. I have NEVER carried a balance. I charge everything, for the most part b/c when it comes to retail purchases. Why not? I can't go to the grocery store and haggle for a cash discount.

I will have to say that if you are in a position that you can haggle on purchase why not ask if cash would be cheaper?

I bought an AR-15 at the beginning of the year and the store gave me a pretty steep discount (larger than 3%) for cash.

But I bet the majority of your purchases are places you can't haggle. Now add up all of those purchases and think about all of the rewards you could have collected. Refer to RoyalSilver's response above.
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 Posted 07/20/2012  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thehulk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Russ. I use my CC all the time to collect points. My wife and I have flown to Texas and Europe on those points in the last 7 years. If you pay off your balance every month, what's the harm? I don't think the CC companies have made a cent off of me in interest.

Now, I also get swrbxxx's point when it comes to dealing with contractors. I've gotten good deals by paying them in cash. But a lot of them don't take credit cards anyways. To make the discussion relevant to this board, I always pay cash at my LCS. It's the only option when buying bullion, but even for other coins I'll pay cash. Their margins are tight enough as it is. But Walmart? They can afford to pay the credit card companies!

Honestly though, pay however is best for you, it doesn't matter to me. Everyone's circumstances are different.
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 Posted 07/20/2012  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You always hear of truthful stories of people who manage their credit card balances well.

So why is it that the total credit card debt for the country keeps rising exponentially each year?
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 Posted 07/20/2012  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So why is it that the total credit card debt for the country keeps rising exponentially each year?


People run up their credit cards for the points.
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 Posted 07/20/2012  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Senex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I can get a discount for paying cash, then I'll pay cash.
Otherwise I'll use my credit card to rack up points.
I pay the balance in full every month, so the credit card company doesn't get one cent in interest from me.
I pay my bill online, so I'm not even out the cost of a postage stamp!
Over the course of a year I rack up about $300 or so in points, so those small purchases really do add up.
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07/20/2012 7:58 pm
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 Posted 07/20/2012  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Senex...nicely said!
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 Posted 07/20/2012  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eurocoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My wife collects the points and I use usually debit card or cash. I have pulled several better coins (value €20+) from circulation so I keep using cash. Ok, the main reason to favour cash is of course coin collecting. Cards aren't slow here but I just feel better when using cash. But then, when you are dealing with travel agencies and airlines credit card is a must. Many have lost their savings due to bankcrypsies when paid with cash. What comes to paying bills in bank offices via human beings, they charge €5-6 per bill. So older people use automats here and all the other do it online. And back to the original question - €20 and €50 are the Finnish workhorses so I would be happy with only that large notes. €100, €200 and €500 rarely used anywhere here I quess.
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