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Pillar of the Community
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I was reading about the coinage of Genghis Khan- As you might have seen I posted them in the thread.. "A New Set of Amazing Coins"  I came across this website discussing the new 2005 influx of "new Genghis Khan coins". The author of the page does a very good job condemning several sets of these coins as being modern cast fakes. He went on to state that prior to 2005 there hasn't been a new publication of about the decade previous with no new types or varieties discovered. He goes on to critique the coins and goes over the particulars of the type of script used on the authentic coins. Well sparing your a bungled recap of the what the gentleman said- I will suggest that those whom might be interested in a short but decent read visit the page.... http://www.khaqan.zoomshare.com/Check it out...  Oh and BTW- I am so glad I don't have one of these cast fakes- wew !  |
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Of all the infamous "world-conquerers" - such as Alexander, Julius Caesar, Tamerlane and Napoleon - it is Genghis Khan whose coins are probably hardest to acquire, especially ones that actually name him. Genuine GK coins are correspondingly rare and valuable. So it's not surprising to me that his coins are being counterfeited, probably more so than any other Islamic-series coin unless you count the "temple token" replicas of Akbar rupees.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
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Interesting read! I think we're seeing just the beginning--mountains of this fake stuff will be produced, and we'll need to become experts on what we collect.
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I mean these coins are rare- and apparently sought after-faked I did not know. I mean I would assume that "ALL" sought after coins are faked, this I found particularly disheartening. I am confident in the coins I purchased and confident in the expertise of my seller-but yikes those are some rather scary fakes.. Poking around I think I found at least sites that are selling them. (or have sold them)- This just makes me love the coins I have just a little bit more..Thanks for the comments guys!
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12/10/2012 6:01 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I also went as far as to email the author and tell him what a great job he did pointing these out, seeing as though as far as I know this the only source that points out these fakes.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm seeing more evidence that coins from the era of hand-engraved dies (mid 19th C and earlier) are getting a lot of attention by forgers...since there's already a lot of variation between dies. If you can strike a coin for a few cents and sell for as little as $25 that's a good margin. Fortunately, Roman and Greek coins have very distinctive styles and techniques--which should make things easier for detection.  Edited by DVCollector
12/10/2012 6:34 pm
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http://www.khaqan.zoomshare.com/Mark Whaley does not have much respect in the collecting community. Take what he says with a grain of salt. The coins he calls fakes are authentic. He even bashes Stephen Album. Really? Stephen Album? With all respect, don't believe everything you read on the internet. That even includes my post. Check multiple sources before you put any faith in what a web page says.
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12/11/2012 04:53 am
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Pillar of the Community
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tenacious, that is a good point. do you know of any point by point repuditions of mark whaleys claims out there I could read? mark whaleys argument sounds good but you could be right.
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If I understand this old CFDL discussion on the topic, the consensus there is that the three Genghis Khan coins identified at the top of that website do indeed appear to be cast fakes. They all look like identical cast fakes to me, at least. But they are skepical about the one sold by Stephen Album (the one with the loop) also being fake. I certainly can't see enough similarities to make a judgement about it. And there certainly seems to be some kind of personal animosity towards Dr Album going on there, too. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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@Tenacious, Your opinion is welcomed! Your advice is sound for sure, as not to believe everything you read. I do believe that the coins in question are cast fakes. I welcome any other source you might have, as I have not been able to find another. I agree with Sap at least the 3 coins are fake, as for the other, I would say it is, it simply does not look "right" to me but I cant really make a judgement as I don't have them in hand. I thank you for your response, and again welcome any other sources you can add.
Also why do you think that the author does not command respect in the community?
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Thanks for the heads up. Fakes scare me, especially because I'm still a brand new ancient collector. Actually I think the low price range of my acquisitions makes forgery unprofitable so I'm probably safe.
The great resource that is this community once again gives a well balanced counter point. It's always good to hold a grain of salt while reading the wild,wonderful web.
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