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1188howest Valued Member Canada 470 Posts	Posted 03/05/2013 5:59 pm To clean or not to clean....your thoughts a lively debate - what will TPG's do for a paycheque. Report this Post to the Staff
rmc Valued Member Canada 478 Posts	Posted 03/05/2013 6:01 pm Seriously...what are you talking about? Report this Post to the Staff
1188howest Valued Member Canada 470 Posts	Posted 03/05/2013 6:03 pm quote me so as to not cause confusion. Report this Post to the Staff
wandering Valued Member Canada 161 Posts	Posted 03/06/2013 12:04 am So how about these two pennies (one US and one Canada)? Do they look like cleaned or not? Report this Post to the Staff
Bill in Burl Valued Member 197 Posts	Posted 03/06/2013 04:50 am No, they don't look cleaned, but why would anyone even consider cleaning either of them? They were minted in the megamillions and even AU's are can be had for less than a dollar. Report this Post to the Staff
wandering Valued Member Canada 161 Posts	Posted 03/06/2013 11:51 am Thanks for your opinion Bill. However don't you think the color doesn't match the year and wearing? Normally a coin that age will be deep brown or even black. Report this Post to the Staff
lyradnoj Pillar of the Community Canada 548 Posts	Posted 03/06/2013 2:45 pm Normally perhaps, but not all. Report this Post to the Staff
Bill in Burl Valued Member 197 Posts	Posted 03/06/2013 4:01 pm Wandering .. Yes, they look light and maybe cleaned, but you can tell anything by a scan/photo. It could be camera glare, light source direction, scanner setting, photoshop enhancements or anything else. You can't grade anything or see what's what on a computer monitor unless you have the coin in hand as well. Report this Post to the Staff
wandering Valued Member Canada 161 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 05:34 am I took the photo so I can say the real coin is as good as photo shows -- no scratch, no chemical dull, no polish, just the color is "unreal". Do you think TPGs will reject them? Report this Post to the Staff
Bill in Burl Valued Member 197 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 06:43 am My personal opinion is that a TPG would be out of the question for those coins. They are worth $1 or so and it would cost $15-$20 to get them certified each. The cert cost will be way more than they will ever be worth for at least the next 100 years. Go to a coin show and pick up a couple AU's or low MS's for less than $10 total for the pair. You'll be better off. They look cleaned to me .. cleaning doesn't necessarily make them dull. Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 07:56 am The Canadian coin (1948 example above) is most definitely cleaned. Unless it is a 1939, 1940, 1949, 1950 or 1952, almost all George VI 1-cent coins have a deep lustrous orange colour, even the specimen strikes and higher mint state grades. In fact, it is almost impossible to find a 1948 A-between denticles 1-cent in what PCGS would call "Red". Most have acquired a wine-coloured toning, probably from impurities in the coin itself. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Edited by SPP-Ottawa 03/07/2013 08:12 am Report this Post to the Staff
SHAFTA9a Bedrock of the Community Canada 10743 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 08:20 am The Lincoln has been cleaned too. Report this Post to the Staff
wandering Valued Member Canada 161 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 3:41 pm So my summary of understanding is, scratches, chemical dull and unreal color, all of them can be treated as cleaned coin and be rejected by TPGs. Report this Post to the Staff
Petersun Pillar of the Community Canada 1700 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 7:05 pm wandering, in my opinion, they are cleaned. It is impossible for a coin that old (I mean the wear) with to have that much shine. Plus, as I've cleaned my own coins before, I know that the toning in between the beads and the rim don't come off so quickly. That's my second supporting statement. The toning is uneven in various spots. In some spots the toning is orange (not normal. normal toning should be red) whereas in some spots the colour is brown. The demonstrates the usage of water. Cleaned circulated coins cannot be graded "red" as it is a term for AU and BU coins; therefore, TPG don't bother sending unjust opinions about these cleaned coins. This was my very first lesson on the Coin Community Forum. https://goccf.com/t/104259 After I cleaned the coins, I discovered that there was no way to clean the beads and restore permenant natural lustre. Most importantly, the wear is never in accord with the lustre. Edited by Petersun 03/07/2013 7:09 pm Report this Post to the Staff
falcon Valued Member Canada 457 Posts	Posted 03/08/2013 2:33 pm Myself I've only ever cleaned one coin.... My kids had a few bucks and bought me a lump of green stuff off ebay for X-Mass one year. They were told it was a recovered Greek coin, buried for 1000's of years. I soaked it in olive oil for months trying to find out what was inside it is a Greek or roman copper coin bright and shiny now lol Report this Post to the Staff
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