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Shrinking A Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 08/31/2013  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's very cool--I've never seen it done to a Morgan $1 before--what a cool conversation piece!
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 Posted 08/31/2013  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Crazy - seems like a Star Trek plot "they are creating a black hole inside a Morgan dollar. The coin only has minutes to live"
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 Posted 08/31/2013  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool. But, I won't be compacting any of my Morgans.
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 Posted 08/31/2013  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen it done before. Yes, it is a damaged coin at this point I would think.
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 Posted 09/01/2013  03:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's amazing that the coins can be changed on the molecular level

It isn't really changed at all, just rearranged.

When the coil they put the coin in is energized it creates a MASSIVE magnetic field around the coin. When the coil blows up from the high current flowing through it there is nothing to support that field and it comes crashing back into the center of the coin. Now most metals resist the movement of magnetic fields through them, so as that MASSIVE field collapses the metal of the coin tries to resist the lines of force cutting through it. This allows the field to squeeze the coin roughly evenly all the way around the circumference of the coin toward the center. As it is squeezed in the center of the coin starts to bulge outward perpendicular to the direction of the squeeze. So the coin ends up smaller in diameter but thicker. If the field collapsed slowly the force applied to the coin would be small, but the collapse is over in microseconds and the force applied to the coin is intense.
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 Posted 09/01/2013  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BertHickman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm the crazy guy who's been "shrinking" coins - since 1998.

We routinely create incredibly powerful magnetic fields that literally "reshape" metal in millionths of a second. As mentioned above, the coin's mass and density are unaltered. The coin becomes thicker as its diameter is reduced, so the coin's volume remains the same. The shrinking process is so energetic that it must be done inside a blast shield to contain metal shrapnel from the exploding copper work coil. The velocity of small coil fragments has been measured at over 5,000 feet/second. The peak instantaneous power can be hundreds of megawatts, so it makes quite a satisfying BANG. Over the years, we've shrunk well over 7,000 defenseless coins and tokens.

A short, one-page explanation of the process can be downloaded as a PDF file. For those wanting to know more of the technical details a more detailed explanation is also provided. Also available is the history of coin shrinking and a brief discussion of the legality of coin shrinking. The process is called electromagnetic forming, and at one time, the Smithsonian had a vending machine that used a similar technique to magnetically shrink the diameter of aluminum tubing.

One page explanation:
http://www.capturedlightning.com/ph...hrinker5.pdf

More technical explanation:
http://www.capturedlightning.com/fr...hrinker.html

The history of coin shrinking (including the Smithsonian tubing crusher):
http://www.capturedlightning.com/fr..._History.htm

Is it legal? Yes!
http://www.capturedlightning.com/fr....html#Deface

Bert


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This really is amazing. Cool stuff.
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 Posted 09/01/2013  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Isos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now, the question of the hour is:

So, can we make our Morgan dollars BIGGER?

Just kidding, really cool application; I wouldn't have deemed it possible.
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 Posted 09/01/2013  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinmaniac1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bigger would really be better here haha!
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BertHickman! Thanks for the links this is really interesting stuff.
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 Posted 09/03/2013  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Yeah, we need a coin enlargener now! Can we shrink any metal object?
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 Posted 09/03/2013  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BertHickman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ideally, the object should be cylindrical or disk-shaped, and it should be a good electrical conductors (silver, copper, aluminum and most alloys of such). If the object is not symmetrically shaped, the compression forces are unbalanced and you get odd results. For example, an Illinois tax token before and after:

http://www.capturedlightning.com/fr...x_Token1.jpg

We also can do an after-the fact "quality control" test for cladded for US coins - here's an example where the cladding layers were not attached evenly across a Kentucky State Quarter:

http://www.capturedlightning.com/fr...utantKYr.jpg
http://www.capturedlightning.com/fr...utantKYf.jpg

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Since the melting/conduction/malleability of metals are physical changes, the initial composition of the metal is still the same.

Chemical changes would be corrosion/rust etc. that makes a different variation.
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What would the TPG's do with one of these coins? Would it get a details grade?
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And it is very cool.
Ya'll keep saying this, but actually it's really hot!
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