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1922 No D Type 2 Strong Reverse

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Just bought this at auction. Would like to resell it. Trying to get an accurate grade. These are a bit tough to grade for me, but I got excited about the strong date and hair details. The first 2 photos are the auction photos of my coin. The second 2 photos are of a PCGS XF40. Of course I'd never try to talk up the grade of my coin Thanks. Ed

My coin's obverse
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My coin's reverse....hopefully the red spots won't hurt too much
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PGGS XF40
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PCGS XF40
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I'm thinking VF-20 and if an Acetone bath doesn't remove the red paint, then it would be a details grade.
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These are really tough to grade, and TPGs aren't always consistent. I think yours is quite close to XF, maybe VF-35. However, the red spots and general appearance of the coin look like signs of environmental damage. So I would say VF-35 details.
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VF30 details - looks like some environmental damage and the obvious residue. Looks to be about right, my only concern is that TRUST is normally fairly strong on these and it is not on your coin.
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I would try and get the red spots off with a little dip in acetone but don't rub the area or pick at the red spots you don't wanna scratch it that will decrease the value of the coin. Good luck with it and if you don't mind what did you pay for the coin.
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My big question. Is it ok to dip copper in acetone? I thought only silver.

BadThad.....you're right, the TRUST is usually stronger, and I'm just hoping it's the camera angle/lighting. The rest of the coin looked correct. the second "2" is strong, the "TY" in liberty, and the strong reverse. If I'm not mistaken, the only no D die with a strong reverse is #2.

I paid $460. Have no idea what I could sell it for. Hopefully more than that
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The acetone will not harm it at all.
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How long in the acetone?
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VF-30.
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These are always a challenge. Gotta go by the reverse. First thought was 35 details. Hopefully it will clean up for ya.
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this is what I would do since your not sure of the acetone dip time. Get a copper cent you can exsperiment on and go from there. Then your comfortable dip your 22D in and maybe take a q-tip and ROLL it very gentle and slow over the red stuff and see if it starts to come off and continue the process. Or just sell it as is someone on here would take it off your hands for the right price like myself lol
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Can't thank everyone enough for the responses. My first battle was convincing myself that it was a no D die 2. The reputable auctioneer graded it as that, so I do have recourse if push comes to shove. The Strong Reverse is pretty much the clincher, because like I said above, the only die that had a Strong Reverse is the #2...and it's definitely strong reverse....reverse is stronger than obverse. BTW the auctioneer had it graded as Fine, and I'm sure it's better than that. How much better? Thanks again, and when I receive the coin I'll be able to get a much better look at it and make a plan and take some good pictures. Darn all this great photography......makes the red spots look REALLY BIG, while in hand they're probably really small.
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Good luck and keep us posted would like to see some pics before and after you get the what looks like gum off. Or you can soak it in olive oil for a few weeks and that wont do any damage to the coin or take any color away from the coin.
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that the reverse red spots are very distracting ... likely genuine however with a details grade.

Let us know how your acetone attempt works.

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Or you can soak it in olive oil for a few weeks


Do NOT put it olive oil. It will do more harm than good.
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Now I'm a little leary of the Die 2 status. The second "2" looks a little weird. But it's definitely a strong reverse. As long as there is no D, and it has a strong reverse it HAS to be a type 2. Anybody want to play devils advocate and try and convince me otherwise? :-) Even if it's a no D 'weak' reverse I could still probably make a few bucks.
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