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 Posted 11/11/2014  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the Romulus coin I mentioned

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151446413928?nav=SEARCH
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 Posted 11/11/2014  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Valecrucis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TC, as someone said on this or another recent thread, these guys 'salt' their usually cheaper genuine coins with their fakes. So not every one they sell is fake. But I wouldn't touch Saxbys or those like him with a barge pole. They have been advised that their coins are fake time and again and ebay has been constantly informed, but they carry on. They are crooks and I wouldn't want to give them my business even if the coin I received was genuine.
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 Posted 11/11/2014  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Why would a seller be auctioning off a Constantia coin on ebay if it was such a rarity or possibly even an unknown type. Hmmmmm......a world renown auction house might realize a very handsome price.....but, oh wait, we don't want any expert eyes scrutinizing this coin.




ebay is not the best place to realise the best price for a genuine rarity, but it is an excellent place to dupe an unsuspecting buyer.
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 Posted 11/11/2014  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well the coin is no longer up for sale. Either the seller pulled it for being questionable or someone made an offer he couldn't refuse. Other than the odd bust I did not see anything that would indicate that the coin was a fake. I believe it is an unknown type and possibly a one of a kind of this rare empress.
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 Posted 11/11/2014  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Finishing the Saxby 'thing',

V.C. I am with you all the way. I have no intention of EVER buying from him again

I was just wondering if he had sold 'fakes' of modern notes or if all of his known 'fakes' were ancient coins? If this is the case then the stuff I did buy (unwittingly) some time ago, being modern notes is likely to be O.K. and I don't have to have them 'verified'.

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 Posted 11/12/2014  04:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I said on the previous page, seller has pulled the coins and will try and get them authenticated. If the Constantia proves to be a genuine coin, don't expect to see it back on ebay.
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 Posted 11/12/2014  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope I am not out of line here. I don't want this to seem like I am on a personal witch hunt but the more I look into this seller the more suspicious I get.

Not to beat a dead horse, but if you search this guy's 'completed listings' you will see, IMO, mostly fakes easily matched to examples documented on FAC fake reports.

I don't have time to post much at the moment but something smells here. Yes, he pulled the Constantia coin (as well as the Vetranio) but was that in good faith or was it because he got caught. Is this guy an artifact specialist only, with no knowledge of ancient coins, or is he just playing the 'ignorance is bliss' card.

I would like to see what he offers in the future before considering any nomination for the NFSL on FAC.

But.....as a seller myself, when I sell something that I am not well versed in, I take a few minutes to search the appropriate sites to get a ballpark figure for what the item should sell for. Many of the coins this guy sold would have realized MUCH greater prices had they been real, so either he lives in lala land, or is too busy, or he is deaf and couldn't hear the sirens going off....OR, he knows they are fake and is just happy that there are buyers willing to throw their hard earned money down the drain.

Here is just one example of the Romulus coin that sold for a mere 90 Euros

His sold coin:
Can-Anyone-Explain-This-Listing
Die match from Fake reports?
Can-Anyone-Explain-This-Listing

Apologies for my rant.

Thoughts and/or rebuke and/or flogging appreciated

-BD
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 Posted 11/12/2014  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you go to the sticky section for Fake Anicents you can see a list of Notorious Fake Sellers, he is on this list along with about a 100 or so more.
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 Posted 11/12/2014  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You rant away BD :)
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 Posted 11/12/2014  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Echizento, where are you seeing the list? I don't see him on the one on forvmancientcoins.
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 Posted 11/12/2014  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


P.P. - I think that Ski may not be referring to 'through_the_ages_antiquities' (your seller who I also couldn't find on the list), but he may be referring to Saxby's who are on the NOTORIOUS FAKE SELLERS LIST.

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 Posted 11/12/2014  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the list: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/bo...opic=18502.0

Unless I'm missing something Saxby is on the list about 3/4 of the way down.
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 Posted 11/12/2014  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Thank-you, Ski.

As I suspected. No 'through_the_ages_antiquities', but 'Saxbys' is there.


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 Posted 11/12/2014  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wasn't talking about saxbys, so I'm not sure what that has to do with this guy. It doesn't really matter where he is buying them from, only wether he is intentionally selling them with the knowledge that they are fake.

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 Posted 11/12/2014  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Valecrucis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am afraid the diversion to discussion of Saxbys was my fault originally, as I suspected that may have been the source of some of these coins, so I apologise for that.

However I do not agree that whether or not he is knowingly selling fakes is the only issue. Whilst that may be the most serious reason for condemnation, it is relevant if someone who sets themselves up as a dealer in ancients is so inexperienced that they might source their stock from entirely untrustworthy sources, with no ability to recognise clear fakes and forgeries themselves, in the hope that by obtaining non-extent super bargains on rare coins in such a way, and a quick sale, they can make a hefty profit with a minimum of effort.
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