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Are New Varieties Still Need To Be Found

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 Posted 12/06/2007  12:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bluedogcards to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, New to collecting and being on the boards, it nice to be here. My question is there hope for new varieties to be found in older coins, one would think with all the collectors and coins being looked at day in and day out that not to many new finds are to be had.
any input?
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 Posted 12/06/2007  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure. New varieties are always popping up in old collections or even in circulation.

Many thousands of dies have been used since 1792 and there can be very few survivors of some because of attrition or because of low mintage. "Bad" dies might be identified after a few strikes and removed but some of the output escape. More recent coins get very little attention so varieties are forever popping up even after many years.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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 Posted 12/06/2007  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcook54 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are almost certainly some left out there to be found by anyone who cares to look. However, the problem is knowing the varieties well enough to recognize a new one. I personally am not there with any coin types and at this point don't really have any desire to collect varieties. Maybe someday I'll open that can of worms but for now I am just happy trying to put together sets.
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 Posted 12/06/2007  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are new varieties found all the time, one big one was found right here by a forum member. CopperCoins is listing new varieties all the time, along with CONECA. Some are more minor than others and not worth much, but there are others that would bring in large premiums!
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 Posted 12/06/2007  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bluedogcards to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank for the input, being a disable vet at thr rip age of 37, I only have time to look at coins, thinking about small cents and wheat pennys,and maybe alittle into the 2 cent pieces.
thanks
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 Posted 12/06/2007  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Eric,



The Big One referred to by Chrsb was the 1982 Zincoln cent with reverse doubled die, found by CC Forum member Ziggy9. There is a detailed thread on that coin in the US coins Error and Variety section. Most recent post was I think 11/04/07. You should check it out; reports like this really inspire you to take a closer look at all your coins.

Hey, thank you for your service! I hope your recovery goes well and that you have a merry Christmas. Stick with this forum for your coin info; the members will treat you right.
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 Posted 12/06/2007  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some dies you wonder how many were struck. Here is one I found last March and I haven't heard of anyone else finding one yet.
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...P-01_EPU.jpg
Please let me know if anyone has seen one of these in their searches?
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 Posted 12/06/2007  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bluedogcards to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all, I think I will really enjoy bring here, still need toget an updated Red Book the one am working with is 1995, the last time I looked at any type of coins, been getting the proof set w/ the silver proof thats fun. already got a 10x loop. anything you can think of to help me out would be great, one of the sites I been looking at is copper coinage, boy this guys has been busy
Eric
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 Posted 12/07/2007  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
we actually have a member here on this board that recently found a 1982 Lincoln Cent that had never been discovered until he found his, it has since been published in quite a few major publications and as far as I know he still has the only one known so far and this coin was 25 years old when discovered so there are still some out there just waiting for someone with a good eye to find them
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 Posted 12/07/2007  04:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SA4H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Eric,

First of all, welcome to the forum. Second, thank you for your services and sacrifies for this country (I may despise/again the president in all of his decision; however, I always respect those who serve and sacrified for FREEDOM). Now, let get into business....

People always said: "Buy the book before you buy the coins!" I can say that it's a good advice, but a better one would be: "Seek the knowledge before seeking the coins!". My reason is that "buy the book" is such a general term and doesn't really give much of a help, because there are good books and there a "junk books" - book publishing is another industry/money making tools for some. Nows-a-day, with the internet and libraries, you don't need to "buy the book" to get the knowledge. I can say from personal experiences that I gain more knowledge through search for articles and read them online, talk to experiences collectors, and find informations in this forum than from all the books that I bought (I spent $200-$300 on books already). I am not saying that books are no good, what I am trying to say is that not ALL books are worth your money.

For example: I bought "One Minutes Coin Expert" from Scott Traver a while back and I recently bought "Looking Through Lincoln Cents Chronology of a Series 2nd ED" by Charles Daughtrey (a member of this forum) for the same price and the knowledge gain is one on the first book for every five of the second one. I am not trying to endorse or give preferences to a fellow member (although part of the reasons that I bought the book was because of his name on it), I am just trying to say that books are just like everything else, you need to know the differences btw the good and the not so good so that you can spend your money wisely. You can search through this forum for some recommendation or post a new topic in regarding to "good books" for a particular coin series or as a general reference. For you to read all posts or acquire the knowledge that's being shared on this forum, you will have to spend at least 1-2 hours a day (just to scrape off the surface of the whole thing), which is generally what I do.

May be one of the Moderator can help you find some old links, but here are some...
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...FORUM_ID=116
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...D=6495#50944


In regarding to the " Red Book", I don't think you need to buy another version, if you are thinking of using it as a price guide. I didn't listen to one of the "older collector" and use the book to price the coin that I buy....... that was like shooting myself in the foot. The Red Book can give you a decent amount of general reference guide in term of relative mintage as well as scracities and general grading guideline... but nothing else. For price guide, try to have a copy of the CDN (commonly called the "Grey Sheet"), it's the dealer pricing guide - you can get older copies from coin shop/dealer for free or a few dollars at most, you can also use the "completed auction" search on ebay or the Heritage Auction Galleries (http://coins.ha.com/common/auction/...s=1&stage=1) for most recent "market price"

I can suggest some books and may be other members can also help, if you can tell us more about your interest/background:
1) For grading: Photograde or ANA Grading guide (I got both, but you don't really need to, they are similar, even though most people said Photograde grading scale/criterias are more stricter; while other said, ANA Grading is "the standard") (they are less than $20/each on Amazon)
2) For Lincoln Series: "Looking Through Lincoln Cents Chronology of a Series 2nd ED" by Charles Daughtrey ($19 on Amazon) or The Complete Guide to Lincoln Cents by David W. Lange (about $20-$25 on Amazon)
3) For Varieties: The "Cherries Picker Guide" volume 1 ( from Half Cents to Nickels - spiral bounce - $32 on ebay) and volume 2 (from Dimes to Dollars - around $25 on Ebay/Amazon)
4) For references/questions: Ask this forum or search online

I think those 3 are the most important/crucial for you to initially gaining the knowledge that will enable you to enjoy the hobby and spend your money wisely (on coins and books)- I spent most of my times on those 4 items listed above for all the information/references that I need.

DO NOT do any of these:
1) Buy coins on ebay, unless you know exactly what you are looking at, don't assume and/or take risk in hoping to "score a deal"
2) Buy books or supplies from coin dealers - you can usually find better price online (book - Amazon, supplies - https://tradewindssupplies.storesecured.com/ or other online store) ***Make sure to check for detail description and SHIPPING COST
3) Run all over places and spend your money on any coins you just got your hand on or being offered by other as a "good deal" or "great investment"
4) Buy coins from TV commercial, regular ads on regular newspaper (usually modern or low grade/value coins are being offered for high price)
5) Buy coins from Littleton or promotion sent in the mail (usually packaged/attached with your credit card statements)
6) Buy plated coin (regardless of which precious material, such as "silver/gold/platinum")

Some "keywords" that I learned from others on this forums and "long-time collectors": Knowledge, focus, patience, ask questions, and enjoy what you have/bought/found.

Just sharing some lesson that I learned not so long ago.

Take care,
Bruce
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 Posted 12/07/2007  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Eric:
There are new varieties being found every day.
A couple of years ago Coin World featured an inverted MM on a 1909 S Barber half dollar that I discovered.
it is now listed in CherryPickers Guide (without credit).
I have two others (two other dates with inverted MM's) that I am corresponding about, so, yes, there is always something new under the sun.
I recall about 1978 showing a bunch of dealers on Long Island (in New York) a 1943 War Nickel that I strongly felt was an overdate (43/2) everyone told me: Nah, there is no such listing. Today: Check any reference, and Del Romines got credit for it years later.
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 Posted 12/07/2007  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jamez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also know that a member of this forum is who found the Adams Double Rim and Smooth edge dollars. A gentleman here in Michigan also just found the 1969S DD. They are expecting if I am correct 6 figures on that one.

They are out there! Good Luck and welcome to the Jungle..
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 Posted 12/07/2007  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are many more to fined plus they keep minting yearly
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 Posted 12/07/2007  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Eric

Welcome to the forum !

Not much to add to the question it has been answered very well by the above members .

each coin has the potential to be a new discovery and that in itself keeps me looking .

I hope you find one or two ,, and always keep in mind that many of the older known varieties are still out there to be found and are just as much fun to find .

If we can help let us know !

Metalman
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