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Artificial Toning Right? 1945 Canada (50¢) ICCS MS-65 PQ+

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 Posted 01/30/2016  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 999fine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aha, the plot thickens!
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 Posted 01/30/2016  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By posting that link I was in no means suggesting that HuguesGervais artificially toned his coins. The conversation simply reminded me of that video.

I have a couple examples of 71 and 72 dollars in clamshell cases that exhibit similar toning. These were definitely untouched as they've probably been sitting in my LCS's display case since 1972 as I'm the only one impulsive enough to buy them!
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to CCF HuguesGervais, always pleased to see another Canadian collector here in the forums.
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 Posted 01/30/2016  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HuguesGervais to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here a link of some of my best toned coins (most not for sale).
https://hugues-gervais.smugmug.com/./Best-Coins/

The very nice $1 1938, PCGS will not grade it because of toning. I bought it in a ICCS holder and thinking maybe PCGS will grade higher but no luck.
Personally, the coin look naturally toned and some other dealer agreed but PCGS has the last word.
So PCGS is more strict on toning than ICCS.

The 1963 and 1959 (1st and 2nd row) look suspicious. I sold the 1963 but still kept the 1959.
When toning is the same colour and uniform, it's maybe someone who accelerate the toning (extra heat, sun...).
Same for the 25c 1950 but still like the coin.

PCGS didn't grade the nice $1 1936 (bleu) and I don't understand why. Toning look real but maybe I am not expert enough :-)

My photo technic (no photoshop) help to really show the colour. It need to be taken in a dark room with one single source of light and control the angle to remove the holder reflection. I also add video sometime.

Most of my coins, I bought them already graded at auctions. Most dealers don't take nice pictures. I tried to help some but having nice photos is a good marketing tool. But sometime it's look unreal. I even surprise myself when I look in the camera eyepiece.

Using white balance to match light source and controlling reflection help but it take time.

Dealer photo:
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 Posted 01/30/2016  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Wow, that is an interesting video on how AT can and most likely is being used on coins. If PCGS is wary that tells me the experts don't even know and best way is to avoid them by assigning the questionable toning remarks. MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm makes ya wonder don't it. Caveat Emptor !
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 Posted 01/31/2016  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add priorpence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@HuguesGervais well my friend whether AT or NT they are some very fine looking coins you have assembled and I commend you on your efforts to put that selection together, personally I'd put anyone of them in my collection.
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 Posted 01/31/2016  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've don't understood why toning, AT or otherwise, is a concern - yet dipped coins are considered totally acceptable.

I prefer the colourful hues of beautifully toned silver over artificial blast white any day.
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, nothing finer than some good eye candy.
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this video may be even more dramatic to some, the removal of patina using an electrochemical process

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Has anyone experimented using the methods from video that Ag posted ?
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@zxcccxz

Since couple of years, I mostly buy PCGS graded coins because they are better to NOT grade AT coins contrary to ICCS who doesn't really care.
Most of my coins cross-graded from ICCS to PCGS and the ones that didn't because of AT, I sold them. I keep only 4 in ICCS holder that PCGS said "questionable tones".

And the reason I only sell Toned coins is because I only buy toned coins. Very simple explanation. And again, I never toned, dip or alter coins.

Below are my collection (not for sale) PCGS showcase:

https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/co...gallery/3022

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HuguesGervais nice hoard of toned gems
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I did not see the original coin that started this thread, in your PCGS showcase set (the 1945 50c). Did it get 'Questionable colour' by PCGS?
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 Posted 02/16/2022  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HuguesGervais to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I sold it during my one and only Auction on iCollector:
https://www.icollector.com/1945-50-...65_i25827589

I estimate that less than 10% of the coins from my personal collection didn't cross with PCGS and I keep these 4 that even PCGS said they are questionable toned, I still find them amazing. See photos.

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 Posted 02/16/2022  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HuguesGervais to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@SPP-Ottawa

And I forgot to answer your question:
I don't think I tried to cross-graded it.

At that time, to growth my collection I had to sell some to make a profit so I can buy more. Today, I would not sell that coin and keep it.
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