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I have terrible vision. I'm in my 30s & wear trifocals (tankfully they're hip & the blended).
Anyway, I've been using an 8x magnifying glass with a light, wearing my glasses & can still hardly see some details like the FG on a cent, DDR e pluribus unum, Lincoln's bow tie (dd), DDO Liberty, etc...

Also, I'm on a budget, so I'd prefer one that economical but I don't want to purchase one that is less expensive if it isn't going to be the right fit for me, then having to purchase another one that is the best fit for my situation. Am I making cents (sense)? #punny

What loup magnification would you suggest? And should take off my glasses when using it?

Thanks much!
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If you have trifocals, you will just have to continue using them. For much greater magnification when examining coins, a standard loupe held in front of your glasses shoud be OK, but you will have to develop some patience and skill when using the loupe in combination with your glasses.

If that doesn't work, just try using the loupe instead of your glasses, but remember, the optometrist prescribed those trifocals for you, for a good reason.


I am a gem cutter, as well as a coin collector.
It is impossible to persue my gem cutting hobby without a good quality loupe.

I need to look for details in the facets of a gem thas can be as small as 1/1000th of a mm in size: things like tiny scratches, or tiny pits in the surface of a facet that I may be cutting. A facet may be as small as 1/4 sq mm in area, or even much less.
I have cut a round brilliant yellow sapphire with 57 facets, where the overall diameter of the stone could be as small as 1 1/2 mm in diameter.

When I read, I normally do that with the aid of 2.5X glasses. I do not have astigmatism, so standard single focus lenses for my glasses are fine.

If you have
normal vision,
near sightedness, or
far sightedness,
just use a squint type eye loupe, in the 10X 15X magnification range. The greater the magnification, the smaller the depth of field* (*range of sharp focus).

If you have astigmatism as well, you will have to use the above loupe in front of your prescription glasses.

For all other eye problems, you will need to consult with your optometrist or opthamologist for professional advice.


When I am examining coins overall, I will use standard 4X glasses for binocular vision, with eyes about 6 inches off the surface of the coin, (very useful for examing coins at public auction view days), or
an 8X three element in two groups standard cloth examination lens, which gives me a depth of field* of about 1 1/2 inches.
The eye is about 1/ 1/2 inches away from the lens, and the coin about 1 1/2 inches away from the lens on the other side of it, from the eye.
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01/13/2016 06:13 am
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When you said "The greater the magnification, the smaller the depth of field* (*range of sharp focus).", does that mean that if I purchase a 10X plus magnifying loupe I will have less of a sharp focus?
I am confused about this part of you answer.

I have astigmatism and am both nearsighted & farsighted, hence the trifocals. The middle part of the RX in my glasses is for using a computer versus driving (nearsighted) & reading (farsighted). One eye is (or was?) much worse than the other.
In March I'm due for my 2 year eye exam. Praise God bc I know that my RX has drastically changed! I'm now using my the farsighted part of my glasses to read!! And I'm now having (for about 3-ish months) headaches.

Back in 2012 I started researching & reading about coins. A friend let me borrow his Red Book & gave me a loupe.
I have since misplaced my loupe & stopped collecting & researching bc of personal issues. I just started this hobby again (about 3-4 was ago).
When I used the loupe in 2012, I took off my glasses to help focus for tiny details. I wish I knew which one it was...however my vision wasn't as bad as it is now.

Anyway, I very much appreciate your in depth & detailed response!! #iamgrateful
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I would tell the optometrist or opthamologist that you are intending to use a loupe to examine coins. He / she may be able to advise on how to use a loupe most effectively, in conjunction with your prescription glasses. I am thinking if eye strain and headaches could be a problem for you.

A 10X loupe and a 5X loupe will both produce sharp focus.
For example,
With a 10X loupe, the range of sharp focus may be from 20 mm to 23 mm in front of the lens. Depth of field 3mm.

With a 5X loupe, the range of sharp focus may be from 18 to 25 mm in front of the lens. Depth of field 7mm. This loupe would be easier to use with a greater depth of field, but would give less magnification.
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 Posted 01/13/2016  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnCentMeHere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okies. Thank you again.
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I don't think anyone is going to give a better answer to your question than sel691 has already done.
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When it comes to a loupe, a quality lens makes a huge difference I've discovered - I love my Belomo triplet 10x and B&L Hastings triplets are great too. Doublets and singles will be very much hit or miss. The type of lens is more important than the magnification.
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Should I purchased it at one of my local coin shops or purchase via ebay?
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I have trifocals too.
I'm fine with an Eschenbach 3-6-9 Achromat.
But that's a better brand.
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For what it is worth I take my glasses off when using the loupe. I have astigmatism that progresses with distance and the presbyopia that comes with age (I am 46). Using the loupe up close without glasses had not been an issue.

With that said, I have a few of the cheap Harris 10x loupes that I use...

http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pro...upe-10x.html

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I have a small low power magnifying glass for viewing the overall coin. For a closer look I use my Ward 10X loupe that I got 35 years ago when I was in college (I'm a geologist). I recently bought a Celestron USB microscope that I like a lot. If you already have 8X magnifier and are looking for a loupe, they have dual 10X and 20X models. A friend has one and it's nice, although I'm not sure what brand. My advice, don't cheap out with optics. If I were to get a new loupe today, I'd lean toward a Bausch & Lomb Triplet. I've seen them at Amazon for about $40.
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01/13/2016 09:53 am
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If you are not worried about taking pictures then look at a cheap USB Microscope that will put the coin up on the computer screen, that would give you a nice size coin to look at.
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I eventually want to take pics not using my iPhone.
But it's not a huge priority right now.
However I just found in a bank roll from yesterday my first 1998 Wide AM. I've taken many pics in different lighting from last night through this morning & I am unable to get the proper lighting for it.
Does a loupe have anything to do taking pics?
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Quote:
Does a loupe have anything to do taking pics?


No.

Also, I'm going to respectively disagree with Mcshilling. I'm getting some pretty decent photos with my USB microscope. Check out this thread:

https://goccf.com/t/248499
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I agree BUT I did say cheap USB
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My USB scope was $40, I consider that pretty cheap. But, a nice camera setup with stand and lights is hard to beat.

The point is, an USB microscope might be an option for a guy having trouble seeing his coins with a magnifying glass. I myself have bifocals and am nearly 60 years old, so I can relate to vision issues.
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