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I paid $118. If it's what I think it is, I know I did well. I can't say it looks EXACTLY like any of the examples I've seen, but then they all looked slightly different from each other as well.  |
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What are you seeing ?
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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The big 3 over little 3 FS-1301
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BCG: Here's my input. If it's not it, it's real close. The date is an exact positional match (lower right) was able to place one over the other exact. Now Differences, could e die state(?) Top of 1 is square on example, yours is more pointed. The upper outside curve of 3 at 11 o'clock on yours is indented. The inside of the 3 is a centered on example, yours is tilted right by a double hair(this may be lighting), I cannot detect the "horn" on top of 3nor the dot on lower curve on 3 on your coin but that could be resolution. IT IS oh so close. Need to see under loupe.   Edited by Crazyb0
04/14/2017 01:37 am
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Definitely not FS-1301 - non-matching die cracks.
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04/14/2017 03:54 am
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The die requisite die crack info would be good to have; I couldn't find anything on SNN or CPG. I just looked at one on Heritage though(awesome zoom on that site!), and I've found 2 die cracks in common so far; the vertical one coming off the tip of the bottom left leaf cluster, and the one running from the left side of the ball to the little curved do-dad on the bottom of the shield. Does anyone know of "must have" or "can not have" die cracks on this one?
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There are no "must have" die cracks (coin can be an early die stage with no cracks). For "cannot have" die cracks, find pictures of other examples of this variety. If you find a die crack on your coin that is not on the other example AND there is a die crack on the other example that is not on your coin, then you are guaranteed they are different dies. You would have to provide a link to the Heritage coin you looked at for me to comment on its die cracks relative to your coin. If it was this one: https://coins.ha.com/itm/shield-nic...ption-071515then the die cracks do not match your coin. On your coin the crack from the lower leaf left makes a sharp bend toward the rim about even with the arrow fletch. The Heritage coin does not have that bend. It's harder to tell from your photo whether the crack from the ball matches. It's my impression it does not - your crack looks like it runs to the top of the point of hook while the Heritage coin runs to the bottom of the point. ----------------- Posting links here doesn't seem to work right. The coin I posted about is Heritage Auction #1251, Lot #5548. Edited by ItchyN
04/15/2017 10:49 pm
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Sample post so I can report problem to moderators. https://www.google.com/I used the insert link button to insert a link to Google, but it links to Coin Community instead. Edited by ItchyN
04/15/2017 10:53 pm
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Yes that was the example I was looking at, and I just took another look. If you click on the coin image a couple of times(maybe 3?) you will eventually get to a screen that allows you to enlarge the image incrementally. At 93%, the crow's foot that splits off at an angle becomes visible on the Heritage coin; I can't say for sure about the one from the point of the arrow to the rim. I think I see something, but then I _want_ to see it, so I'll remain neutral on that one. If it would be a natural place for the crow's foot crack to extend, then I'm good on that. The crack from shield to ball is definitely wider on my coin. I would assume that was possible if not likely in later die stages, but I'm haven't studied that subject in enough depth to be certain.
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after blowing up both your image and Heritage's I see cracks on each of them that are not on the other one. I would say not the same die.
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Yes, it is possible for a die crack to widen (progress to a die break) with use of the die. I am not clear on what you are saying about the crack from the left bottom leaf. (Left is your left as you are looking at the coin.) Your coin has a definite dogleg towards the rim at the level of the arrow fletch. The Heritage coin continues curving to the edge without a dogleg (even under maximum enlargement as best I can see). Shield nickels tend to form die cracks in the same areas of the coin over and over. Some of them can look very similar. You have to look carefully to ascertain that two cracks are exactly identical. Perhaps you can post a crisp enlarged photo of the date if you want to pursue this further? |
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I count either 8 or 10 that they have in common, depending on whether you count the triangular one at 10:00 between the leaf clusters as 1 or 3. There is one anomaly I've found, but it doesn't seem as sharply defined as what I normally think of as a die crack. On the Heritage coin, it comes off the ball below the short die crack, and runs NW along the bottom of the shield, toward the arrowhead. Other than that, I can see all of them. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding, and I'll have the coin in have the coin in hand in a few days and will be able to examine it more closely, but I'm still happy so far.
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04/16/2017 01:05 am
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Absolutely! I'll get as good a pics as I can, and post as soon as possible. According to the tracking info, ETA is Monday, so hopefully I'll have pics up Monday night. And thanks a million to everyone who replied/contributed!
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Look at Heritage auction 1216 Lot 4031. This coin (as does every FS-1301 on Heritage) shows a die crack from the rim through the T in TRUST continuing on to the top leaf right. Your coin does not have this crack, so in order for your coin to be FS-1301 it must be an earlier die stage than the Heritage coin.
Your coin shows a die crack from the bottom leaf left (the crack we've discussed before with the dogleg). The Heritage coin does not show that die crack. Hence, your coin must be a later die stage than the Heritage coin.
Since your coin cannot simultaneously be an earlier and later die stage than the Heritage coin, it must be a different die.
This is an example of what I previously called "non-matching die cracks."
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04/16/2017 04:27 am
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Quote:
Sample post so I can report problem to moderators. There is a CCF Support and Testing area for that. It doesn't need to be in an actual topic. Quote:
the overlay portion (golden colored) is a copyrighted image Many "copyrighted" images can be used for educational purposes and that is the case here. While I appreciate your attribution, don't get hung up on it. It is the interwebs we're speaking of after all. Edit: shieldnickels.net offers this disclaimer: Quote:
All files on this web site are Copyright © Howard Spindel even if I forgot to put the copyright notice on them! :-) I don't think Spindel is going to be suing anyone anytime soon. :-) In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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04/16/2017 05:12 am
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