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 Posted 02/25/2005  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are right. It was worth the wait.
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 Posted 02/28/2005  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SFDukie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi National,
I've appreciated your posts and links.
Any advice on how to educate oneself on a particular classic commemorative? There are many links for how to grade a specific regular issue, but it seems tough to find issue specific grading tips for commems.
Thanks!
Don
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 Posted 02/28/2005  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum SFDukie. Gaining insight on a particular commemorative issue is a bit tougher than regular issue coins. There are a few decent books on the series, but most lack detailed information.

http://www.stantonbooks.com/books_commems.htm
http://www.coingrading.com/grade1.html

Maybe one of these will help. If you would like some info on a specfic series, please ask. I have quite a large referrence library.
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 Posted 02/28/2005  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SFDukie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
National, you are amazing- you reply so quickly- thanks.
I'm interested in the Raonoke commem, and the ca commems-bay bridge, california, and pan-pac. really interested in the gold $2.50 but feel that I need to do my homework on it, so that one will clearly be awhile, not to mention the considerable expense for that interesting coin.
Can you say Tarheel a long way from home?
I've also always lusted after a charlotte piece, and have searched heritage, ebay, and teletrade auctions, and am frightened by the lack of info. I'm planning on reading the Doug Winter book, but still find valuation daunting. I saw a raw c quarter eagle on ebay recvently that I would have loved to bid on, but could find no comps, and was afraid of whizzing hat didn't show up in the photo. graysheet/bluesheet doesn't seem specific enough for that level of scarcity - or am I missing something from my one on;line purchase of that guide? Any further thoughts for me while I'm picking your brain?
Don
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 Posted 03/01/2005  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing? Now that is something I never get tired of hearing. Actually, I just have a tremendous amount of referrence material and a decade of experience. Spend as many hours looking at coins and reading about them, and it all looks easy.

Lets start with Charlotte:
http://www.blanchardonline.com/Amer...08/char.html
http://acoins.com/charlotte.html
http://www.pcgs.com/new_set_registr...mberofsets=5

Be sure to check out the book by David Bowers.

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Charlotte gold along with Dahlonga are heavily counterfeited. I would not suggest anyone buy one raw. They are also poorly struck, often with poor planchets. Grading is specific to these Branch Mints. Don't judge them by Philly standards.

Now for the others you mentioned.

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I guess we have not owned a Roanoke commem. At least no photo of one.
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 Posted 03/01/2005  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Speedy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've thought about doing a set of commermorative halfs from 82-date...it would just make one more collection for me to work on!!!

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 Posted 03/01/2005  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The new commems are a pretty easy set to put together. Since the strikes are so much better, gems are common place.
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 Posted 03/01/2005  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SFDukie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ND,
Thanks for the links- I'm working through them. I will take your advice about raw c and d coins. What other coins are frequently counterfeite?. Are c and d fakes typically just altered coins from other mints or are they "de novo" counterfeits? I've been interested in NC gold since my mother took me to the Reed gold mine site as a 5 yr old- it was not a state park at the time. Worth a visit, even more so today, for anyone interested in gold coinage.
As you likely know, NC was the leading producer of gold until the Sutter Mill discovery in CA led to the gold rush "here", and supplied all of the gold used by the Philadelphia mint until 1828. Ga folks have a soft spot for N GA gold too, of course and gold mined in VA, SC, and AL went various places.

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 Posted 03/01/2005  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SFDukie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Richard
That coin is pretty funny!

ND,
The commems you posted are all great coins. Personally, I find the "later" classic commems more stylistically pleasing- something I hadn't thougt about until I went through your commems in order. The OT is the fave of many, and I really like the design, Columbia sesqui and Spanish Trail are designs I like too. Which are your personal faves?

speedy,
How many of the modern commems do you have? which are your faves?
I find them interesting, but it is such a large series, and is daunting because so many come out every year, and some in varying denoms, etc. What are your thoughts as to how to put together a set? Would a complete set include either uncircs or proofs or both?
Have you seen a Library of congress in person?
Don
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 Posted 03/01/2005  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Speedy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SFDukie
Halves of any coin ar my pick...Franklins, Walking Libertys, or any so I would only do a set of Halves in the commems...they are a little bit cheaper...but still 2 of the coins are near or over $100!!!
I think I have about 5 of them...yes I have some of the $1 comms too but not many...
I would put a set together in BU and PF but they would HAVE to be in the mint packing.
Yes I saw a Library of Congress in person but didn't have the funds to buy it...the same guy had about 5-10 more I would ahev liked to get but I just couldn't....Oh to get abck to my job!! (mowing)

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 Posted 03/01/2005  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My favorite commems:

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 Posted 03/01/2005  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by SFDukie

What other coins are frequently counterfeite?. Are c and d fakes typically just altered coins from other mints or are they "de novo" counterfeits?
Don


The "C" and "D" gold coins are often transfered die counterfeits. Most other minted coins are too well struck to be confused for either of these mints.
For U.S. coins, the most heavily counterfeited are the key dates and scarce issues. All the early American copper pieces have been copied many times the number of the originals. Gold of course has the been the target since the earliest of days. Charlotte and Dahlonga have a special place in numismatics, and they really see alot of attention. Buying raw requires a lot of knowledge. I know many dealers who still cannot spot a fake when it comes to these coins.
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 Posted 03/01/2005  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SFDukie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by national dealer

My favorite commems:

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More beauties! Any idea how that TX got it's toning?

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 Posted 03/01/2005  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Speedy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ND
Nice Stone Mountain...
When I got to go through a hoard I found one in XF+ at least but it had PVC all over it...I bought it for $5(I think) I put Acetone on it but it didn't take it all off...I rubbed a tad...that was the wrong thing to do...it looks cleaned now but even at that I got a good deal...I think I'll have to look for a new one after you showed off that photo!

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 Posted 03/01/2005  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The toning on the Texas commem was beautiful. If I had to guess at the origin, I would suspect the holder that it had been in. Some cardboard holders can cause blue and purple toning. Now of course, toning is not exactly good for a coin. It is in fact environmental damage and some cannot bring themselves to like it. Personally, some toning is absolutely beautiful to me and will bring much higher prices.

SPEEDY: You would not believe how many times I have heard that from collectors.
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