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Should I Crack This 1917 Standing Liberty? Or Cross? Or Cac?

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 Posted 12/25/2019  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to suggest just enjoy the coin, but since the goal seems to be to maximize returns I won't bother.
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I was going to suggest just enjoy the coin, but since the goal seems to be to maximize returns I won't bother.


No reason you can't do both at the same time
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Overthinking this - leave it alone.

MS-65 per NGC price guide (and that vs. reality is another discussion) is $715. $1450 in MS66. 65FH is $1000, 66FH is $1900

PCGS price guide is $675, $1000, $850, $1350 (same sequence, MS65, 66, 65FH, 66FH)
CAC price guide is $780, $1220, $832, $1310 (same sequence)

(assuming you are a member)
Crossover will cost you $35/coin plus shipping/handling/insurance
CAC submission will cost you $14.50 per coin + shipping/handling/insurance.

A single submission is going to eat a big chunk of the (780-715 = $65) value difference between MS-65 and MS-65CAC.

If you follow the CAC - Crossover - CAC plan, you are out $64 plus shipping/handling/insurance and per the price guide it's less valuable.
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 Posted 12/26/2019  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I was going to suggest just enjoy the coin, but since the goal seems to be to maximize returns I won't bother.


Condor101 If you have followed the thread(s) that I have on this coin you will see that I am ALREADY enjoying it emensely and don't even have my hands on it yet!

I am expecting it today and feel like a little kid on . . . . well, yesterday!!

Also, if you think back a few years, you know me, you know I do not think like that.
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12/26/2019 10:21 am
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 Posted 12/26/2019  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Overthinking this - leave it alone.


BStrauss3 Yup, you got me there, I overthink things. It is a big part of who I am.

But I always figured a little OCD never hurt anyone!
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 Posted 12/26/2019  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, one more thing (yep, OCD for sure)!

If I do get a CAC sticker, that is as far as I go. I do NOT want to crack it out of that gen two (3?) no barcode holder.
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12/26/2019 10:31 am
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CDO - compulsive disease, obsessive at least it's properly alphebetized
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 Posted 12/26/2019  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again, I feel like a little kid with a new toy.
I got the coin in hand today and just about fainted!
The seller photos that I have been using are downright criminal!!
This thing is gorgeous!! I have good luster (not great, but good) and good cartwheel. Certainly it is not mint fresh, but I prefer toned coins anyway.
And the toning on the rear has a bit of a crescent with a touch of blue! It is a bit dark, that might hold it back just a bit. But again, I find it quite attractive. The reverse has cartwheel, but it is muted more than the obverse.
It is definitely going to CAC for a green bean for sure and maybe with a shot at gold.
I don't want to crack it.
I will post some of my pics soon. If my good camera and setup still works.
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Better yet...do it up right!
Should-I-Crack-This-1917-Standing-Liberty?-Or-Cross?-Or-Cac?
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12/26/2019 3:58 pm
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 Posted 12/26/2019  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am thinking Earl didn't get the memo that I quit this game for five years due to my frustration and dislike (bordering on hatred) of the TPGs.
Hey, I didn't make the rules . . . that a gold bean is worth $1000 or such.
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 Posted 12/27/2019  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freddo30 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it is incumbent upon living collectors to disperse their holdings while living. Choose a reason or add your own : you bought it, you are the one who knows how and where to sell it for the proper return. It's far easier for estate execution to deal with cash rather than often marginally liquid assets such as coins (particularly the more sophisticated ones). Interest and talent usually skip a generation so your survivors probably have little interest in retaining collections. Chances are that, as a collector of coins, you also collect other things ; same suggestion applies. Coin collecting has undeniably lost participants at every level so it's anyone's guess who will collect what at what cost when we are all dead.
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 Posted 12/27/2019  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like Earle42's implied way of looking at it.

Buy the coin, not the CAC.

In the meantime, just make sure the coin is properly protected, preferably in some sort of airtight container.

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. I like Earle42's implied way of looking at it

That is funny, while making a good point.

But they have me right where they want me. And if I dwell on it too long I will go missing for another five years . . .
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12/27/2019 08:33 am
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 Posted 12/28/2019  03:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Leave it in the old fatty holder, but definitely send it to cac. Add a green bean to that holder, and it would be far more attractive than a beaned PCGS example. That holder carries a premium.
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12/28/2019 03:57 am
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Yup, hadleydog that is what I am going to do.
And thank all of you guys for playing along!!
It's good to be back!
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12/28/2019 07:39 am
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