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Your Thoughts On This 1911-S Lincoln Cent

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 Posted 08/22/2020  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess it won't be long until they start faking LSC....
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 Posted 08/22/2020  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Paul, looks like you should stay away from 11-S Lincolns in the future!
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 Posted 08/22/2020  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amen to that!
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 Posted 08/23/2020  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh crap , now I have to check all of my 11-S Lincolns . Dargone-It, it's always something that coin collectors have to look out for .
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 Posted 08/24/2020  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The link ijn1944 provided is one I posted about another 1911-S four years ago.

I forgot all about that. Some of us are just slow to learn, I guess.



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Oh crap , now I have to check all of my 11-S Lincolns
I got mine around 30 years ago when he was worth less than ten dollars. I am not that worried.
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 Posted 08/24/2020  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hummmm....interesting coin. I too lean toward a fake it is so weakly struck and the date is questionable. I've seen other years of Chinese fakes that look similar.
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 Posted 08/24/2020  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Late to the discussion, but the serpentine S MM immediately sent up an instant flag with me as well. I am suspecting clear photos with direct light would show a porous nature to the surface as well.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have contacted ebay about a return since the coin is a counterfeit.

Four days later and I have not yet heard back from the seller.

I do have this question. If it is a counterfeit can I legally return it in the U.S. mail?
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 Posted 08/25/2020  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you have formally opened a case in the Resolution Center?

If so, and the seller has not replied after 4 days, then ebay should be processing a return.

You can always go to the Res Center, click on your case and indicate that's you've not received a reply.

Not a problem returning a coin from a cancelled sale.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I opened the return request on August 22 but the message from ebay says that if I don't hear from the seller by August 28 I can contact them and ask them to step in.
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 Posted 08/26/2020  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay will pay you back, no worries. Since the seller is MIA, I'd wouldn't mail it back unless ebay tells you to. Personally, I'd make a youtube showing me cutting a key date in half. LOL

That said, I would 100% validate it's fake by taking to a local coin shop and getting a second opinion. You get the best scrutiny if you offer to sell it to them. It's a key coin, with any experienced dealer - they'll let you know if it's fake, especially if they're opening their wallet. I've seen some strange 11-S's over the years - real ones. The branch mint was still learning and dependent on philly for dies. To meet production quotas, the branch mints pushed their dies to the bitter end and through 1928 or so, they made a lot of weak coins.

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 Posted 08/26/2020  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, BadThad. Unfortunately, my local coin shop owner retired last year, but that's not a bad idea.

The weight is 3.16 grams. Is that within tolerance for an authentic Wheat cent? Red Book says it should be 3.11 grams.

I'm not holding out hope it's authentic, but the three other U.S. fakes I know I bought (Seated Liberty Dollar, Standing Liberty quarter and Flying Eagle cent) were all quite a bit underweight. This one is pretty close.
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 Posted 08/27/2020  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Personally, I'd make a youtube showing me cutting a key date in half. LOL
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 Posted 08/27/2020  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Personally, I'd make a youtube showing me cutting a key date in half. LOL


Or, can a key date stop a .22lr?

On another note, Paul, if you need a 11-S just let me know. I work at a LCS and can help hook you up with whatever quality you want.
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 Posted 08/28/2020  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never heard from the seller, so I contacted ebay and they immediately decided in my favor. I've printed off a return shipping label and the coin will be returned tomorrow.

Thanks again for all the helpful information on this coin.

I am staying away from 1911-S Lincoln Cents FOREVER!!
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