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How Would You Grade This 1884 O Morgan

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Not my coin but I am curious what the consensus might be.
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 Posted 07/06/2022  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm at MS-62 on this one. Face is pretty rough looking.
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Agree with MS-62. Great luster, but quite a bit of scuffing over the roller marks on the cheek. Might look better in hand.
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Wow that cheek is ugly. I say MS-63 lacking eye appeal.
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I'll go with MS-63.
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Looks like she got in a fight. MS-63
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KauaiHawaiiGuy...you are a bad boy trying to fool CCF members. this coins was taken from the PCGS grading scale. its the MS63 example...so I'm going to say MS63
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Looks 62 to me
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Panzaldi said ......
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KauaiHawaiiGuy...you are a bad boy trying to fool CCF members. this coins was taken from the PCGS grading scale. its the MS63 example...so I'm going to say MS63
And he's right as to where the coin came from, but not that I was trying to fool anybody, only that the other day I asked a question at the main coin forum about "Rub vs Wear", the post is still there near the top if anyone cares to look, and to me that cheek in the PCGS example looks like what I would think of as rub from a roll of Morgans or cabinet rub, and wanted to see how the other members saw it.

Well I am surprised that you were all about right, and even though some of you mentioned the cheek, none of you downgraded it to AU status. I have even more respect for the forum members after this little stunt I pulled than before. Thanks for your input
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 Posted 07/06/2022  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely not an AU coin. The only rubbing is from coin to coin in bags.
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But IndianGoldEagle, when you said ........
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It's definitely not an AU coin. The only rubbing is from coin to coin in bags.
That is exactly the point I raised at that post I mentioned at the main coin forum. If rub is not considered wear, and the rub as in this coin is exactly at the same high points on a Morgan that wear occurs at, e.g. hair above ear, high point of cheek, above and below eye etc., then what's the difference? Is it only a judgement call like an ice skating judge where one sees the performance as a 9.5 and another a 9.7?
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I interpret rub and wear as the same thing.

This coin has neither.
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Typically in a lightly circulated coin you would see overall loss of luster and some circulation marks in the fields, in addition to the slight wear or rub on the high points. But there is no hard line between MS and AU since it really is a continuum, so in the end it has to be a judgement call on where to draw the line.
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I should have said instead of coin to coin "rub", coin to coin contact. This one looks like it was horizontal coin to coin slide causing the friction marks.
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It looks like the planchet had roller marks showing up on the cheek. I was at MS63 with a shot at MS64.
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MS-62
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