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A New Coin Cleaning Project. 1803 Large Cent

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 Posted 02/06/2023  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jester to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also late to the thread, but super invested now! The coin is looking really great. Well done!
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 Posted 02/06/2023  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CarrsCoins, curious what chemical you found most valuable during this project? I see someone mentioned Dillers Coin Darkener, did you ever use it? Thanks, Adam
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 Posted 03/30/2023  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
been a bit since I updated here. here is what the coin look like today:

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A-New-Coin-Cleaning-Project.-1803-Large-Cent

its starting to have a decent contrast.

@adam - I havent really used too many chemicals on this. mostly just xylene and manual removal of gack. the recoloring has been done without chemicals.

i did play around with dellers darkener during this process. it isn't a product that I see myself using much in the future. I wasnt happy with the results I was getting.
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 Posted 03/30/2023  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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been a bit since I updated here. here is what the coin look like today:
She has come a long way!
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 Posted 03/30/2023  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Carrs, I've been following your thread documenting the restoration of this 1803 Large Cent. You have done an AMAZING job with it!
Thank you for demonstrating and explaining how a coin can be rescued.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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 Posted 03/30/2023  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Safaga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Amazing job.

How many hours of labor do you consider that this transition took?
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 Posted 03/30/2023  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That looks fantastic!

I've been looking for a nice draped bust restoration project myself, been encouraged by your results.
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 Posted 03/30/2023  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remarkable improvment, congrats!
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 Posted 03/30/2023  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglebub7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
She looks fabulous now!
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 Posted 03/30/2023  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic change!
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 Posted 03/30/2023  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's an outstanding transformation from what you started with!
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I hate to resurrect an old thread, but I thought it was interesting to read this and compare to the recent toning of bust halves thread. Here we have 7 pages of comments and not a single one suggesting anything done was 'wrong', yet the toning bust thread seems to have received a lot of negative criticism. Why?

Is it the retoning process used? Both used heat and natural humidity. One used a lamp while the other used intentional placement in the sun. Is it how people think about copper versus silver? Is retoning acceptable only when preformed after removal of corrosion?
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 Posted 01/28/2024  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am also curious. Seems very similar to me. Let's see who steps up to the plate.

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 Posted 01/28/2024  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess if it's represented this way...it's ok.

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this coin will always be a cleaned coin. I cant, and wouldnt want to, change the truth of the situation. it has been cleaned. it would be dishonest to represent it in any other way.

i strongly agree that most coins should not be cleaned. an honest patina is always better than a recolored coin no matter how well its done. well preserved coins are what every collector should be striving to find. preserving the coins to the best of our abilities is our responsibility as stewards of these pieces of history.

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 Posted 02/02/2024  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bikergeek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have watched both these threads with interest. I know CarrsCoins; we are members of the same local club. And I know jacrispies, who is earnest and passionate about coins. I firmly believe that neither of them is trying to "fool someone" and by doing so, make a profit.

They are "messing with" coins - but hasn't every single coin been "messed with?" From the moment of their creation, we slide them down conveyor belts, drop them into bags, roll them up with machines, flip them, drop them to hear their silver content. There are mint-sealed proof coins with fingerprints on them. Even when someone decides to "put one up" for safekeeping, they end up in varied environments: this one lives on the coast, that one lives in the desert. We put them in fireproof safes imbued with flame retardant moisture-bearing chemicals. Some environmental changes are gradual and others are concentrated. Some are intentional and others are accidental. But the common denominator is us humans. Even a detectorist's "ground find" that was eaten away in the earth had to have been dropped by someone!

I submit that the difference between the coin doctors who whizz, polish, smooth, fill, and wipe, and the conservationists who restore the underlying beauty of a coin can be summed up in one word: Reverence.

I'll go one further: the practice of dipping is widely accepted. But it is an attack on the surface of a coin, destroying the metal's natural defenses (i.e., toning) and is far more harmful - and generally less attractive - than trying to expedite in a few months what nature was probably going to do over time anyway.

I appreciate both CarrsCoins and Jacrispies' posts, have learned from their experiments, and hope that they (and others) are not silenced by disapproval of some. I find them to be reverent.
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