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  with DOCC.. Edited by Dearborn
02/18/2024 09:10 am
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Given the images posted so far, I believe this is a 'doctored' piece.
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Cast counterfeit. Just love these "got it from my grandfather" stories.  |
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Cast - pretty obvious marker came screaming out. If it was a cast coin - how did they make a mold off of the original real coin to make the casting? I've been in foundry work for 30 years and you would need the original coin to make the mold to produce that little nick on Lincolns head. Plus if it was a cast off of the original then everything on the cast coin would look just like the original coin. How is that small 4 on the OP's coin also possible? Just asking questions so I can learn about casting coins - don't kill the messenger please. Edited by Marv65
02/17/2024 9:30 pm
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To CCF! It's most likely a fake. Errers and Varietys.
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Looking at the photo comparison posted by Marve65, the ear is too narrow and the mouth looks like he has no teeth compared to the real McKoy. There also seems to be something not right on the shoulder/sleeve of Lincoln's coat and the nose. Just my humble opinion. I really would like to see the coin posted by the OP be the real thing. I get the hibbie gibbies just thinking about it. Good luck.
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Meerkat, send it in. The four lines up with the curve in the nine and the middle portion of the three like verified examples. The distance of devices from the edge can vary. You could also take it to a local coin shop first but don't sell it to them.
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The distance of devices from the edge can vary. How many die pairs do you think existed in Philli to produce the 15 known examples? I'll give you a clue, the MINT uses 1 die for roughly every 1,000,000 cents struck. We are not talking about a MAD here, there is a consistently larger gap between devices and rim around the whole perimeter. How would a single die produce those variations? |
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how did they make a mold off of the original real coin to make the casting? Let me take a stab: these sold for as low as 6K in the 60's thru 90's. Some 'investor' bought one and created a cast knowing the potential VALUE of owning that cast as well as the coin. No one knows the history of that coin in the PCGS image, it may have traded hands 50 times and got slabbed yesterday or 15 years ago. Quote:
Plus if it was a cast off of the original then everything on the cast coin would look just like the original coin. Seriously, so everything just freezes in time. No more circulation, no more oxidation, no more wear, no buffing out the cast bubbles? The MINT reworks dies all the time, are you claiming that a mold cannot be changed/adjusted/refined once created? |
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@Bearkat_50 The general consensus seems to be that your coin is most likely fake, counterfeit, cast, or altered. I would tend to agree. The knowledgeable folks on this forum are more often right than wrong in my experience. However, it is ultimately up to you to decide whether to pay the price for you own education and peace of mind and send in to a TPG or not. Best of luck to you, whatever you decide. |
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to the CCF Looking forward to how this turns out.  |
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Kind of makes me wonder how many actual counterfeiters post on CCF looking for opinions on their work, and how to best address any indicators.
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NONE of us can make a guaranteed authentication of this coin from the images posted here. Although unlikely, if authentic, you have a very valuable coin. No serious collector would buy this coin if it were not authenticated by a reputable grading company. Spend a few bucks and put the question to bed.
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to Community There are numerous examples of manufactured 1943 steel cent out there, just be aware and do not fall for it, best thing you did was to bring it here for opinion.  |
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NONE of us can make a guaranteed authentication of this coin from the images posted here 1943 bronze is one the most counterfeited coins of all time, but there is a slight chance of it being the true error 1943 bronze. Further professional authentication would be required on this one, to be sure. I like the " Ring of Death" on the obverse, that would be a great way for a counterfeiter to sell a fake coin, by making it look like it spent time in circulation. |
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