Is CCCS As Good As ICCS?

Thanks for the info R2bR2c...maybe you can clear up the other info I was given. I was told CCCS are dealers themselvess (bringing into question their impartiality) where ICCS only grades, not deals in coins.

I have no preference one way or the other btw, just trying to determine who gets my coins. I am after honest and repectable judgement.

$0.02 Worth

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I did tell you the story....
I did NOT make the mistake... (coin was ICCS and was hoping for a better grade) and I am not yelling... could yell at you... but makes no sense as you have a thick ear......lololo.o
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I have a 1 cent collection and all of the high end coins are certified.I would say 50% ICCS 40% CCCS and 10% PCGS.My experience is that CCCS is more conservative than ICCS.I often got better grades from ICCS.That said,I trust CCCS to be the most accurate.Also by far the best slab.For the coins you want to keep and not sell CCCS is the way to go.

In regards to being a dealer and auctioneer,just ask yourself this question:If Louis over grades his own coins how long will he remain in business?

CCCS grading,as with every other TPG service has taken a while to stabilize. The same happened with ICCS/NGC/PCGS in 1986 onward-some call it "Grading-creep"- I call it stabilization in a new process.

CCCS, PCGS, NGC, ANACS all grade copper the same thus you can get a copper coin in an MS-65BN holder while ICCS sticks to an outmoded grading model-unless you want to assume the rest of the world is wrong except ICCS.

That "outmoded" model thinking enters into their business model, doesn't reflect the "International" part of their name,they have no website, no holder security, work narrow hours such that people from other countries trying to contact them find it very expensive and inconvenient to do so really works against them while other TPG services can be contacted via the web.

Finally, TPG services in the U.S. like PCGS have been "tested" in Court via legal cases and proven to be right and their grades are not an "opinion" but guaranteed vs that stated in both CCCS and ICCS. I suggest when either Canadian service stops trying to sidestep their legal responsibility as "experts" they are assumed to be by using the term "opinion", their credibility will improve.

As most collectors don't seem to get this I'd suggest asking some questions of legal representatives for clarification. I used to use ICCS and CCCS- I now use PCGS and NGC as both are considered defacto standards worldwide.

I agree DBM and that's the way it's always been. BTW, the initial posts are all from 6 years ago, except Jerry's. I love it when "grade creep" is mentioned, as if it never happened in the last 6 years.

My only comment about CCCS would be the turn around time. It's often ridiculously long and one of the reasons why I do not send coins there. As far as being consistently more conservative that ICCS, I do not agree. I have come across cross grades from CCCS to ICCS where ICCS assigned a lower grade.

Yes, SPP ... I have been removed from this site a number of times for rude comments about some authors and TPG's. I've been a good boy since Okiecoiner started.

I didn't miss anything as per "opinion" as it's a legal dodge by both companies (ICCS and CCCS). The only way to clarify is to test it in a court of law and neither of the services in Canada have been sued.

Further, I'd rather have a legal guarantee of their "opinion" by say PCGS than nothing at all which is what you get by ICCS and CCCS. It's not about coins-it's about law and neither is willing to stand by their product from a legal standpoint. An opinion that isn't defensible is no opinion at all.