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1819 Capped Bust Half

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Overpaid a bit, but couldn't resist. It looks wonderful.

Thoughts?

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 Posted 06/23/2009  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulation, it's a magnificent looking coin!
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 Posted 06/23/2009  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rustyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks sharp! Congrats.
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 Posted 06/23/2009  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful!
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I don't think you over-paid for it. That coin is close to MS. Gotta be a 55 or 58.

Please post some pics when it arrives.
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When you get the coin, have a look at the outer tips of Star 7, the upper left one. You should see recutting. It looks like O-110 to me, and the star is the best pickup point. On the reverse, an O-110a variety has a die crack at the top of UNITED; in later die states it extends almost fully around the reverse. It's tough to see clearly in the auction pics, but I don't think I see the crack. The second and third A's should also be nearly closed at the bottom serifs; I see this in the auction coin.

Only one Uncirculated and four (original surfaces) AU attributed examples of this variety have ever been offered at Heritage. All were O-110a. ANACS has graded 24 O-110a's and only 16 O-110's, none above AU55. A PCGS O-110A in AU55 went for over $800 a year ago. The coin you purchased is a slam dunk at AU55, more likely AU58 and I can't rule out Mint State without better pics. See where I'm going with this?

Let's just say, I'm of the opinion that you didn't overpay for this coin. It will likely change the Condition Census for the variety.
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Maybe I was seeing more wear than you were, for some reason. Like, on the talons and such. Would you say that's more due to strike?
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Would you say that's more due to strike?


Yes, to an extent - one must consider obverse and reverse as a whole when deciding if the coin has circulated. The top of the eagle's head and wings show the classic "shelves" one sees on Bust Half strikes, making me ready to make a little allowance for this on other reverse features; I also see a little of it on the obverse at the top of the cap and in the hair directly under the "Y."

What I don't see is very much wear directly above the ear and heading towards the forehead, the first place you'd expect to see it. 1819's generally are struck well, and this one is, making it easier to note wear. I can't see much. It's very likely been circulated, but vanishingly little.

The strike and apparent detail level on the coin you've purchased is very close to that of the sole Mint State example appearing at Heritage.
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 Posted 06/24/2009  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyKev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on a gorgeous coin.
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Any thoughts here on it having been cleaned? Looks nice to me, btw. Greysheet price for AU is almost 300 but in MS60 that's 1000. Not taking into account rare die vatieties, of course - thank goodness for the experts on this forum, I know where to ask if I need assistance!

Thread Hijack Alert: What is considered 'suspicious' toning? Sorry :D

Enjoy the CB half...

Bruce

EDIT: Typo correction lol
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There is always a chance it will be cleaned, but I'm taking a gamble here. I truly hope that it isn't.

Dave, I will definitely keep that in mind next time. I guess these are a bit more unevenly struck than most coins because to me, it looked as though the talons had some significant wear.
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Beautiful coin!!


I think you outbid me on this one!!


(Sorry for running up the price!)
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The photos don't show any hairlines, the luster seems only slightly affected by light friction, and the toning looks original. I agree with Bherring on an AU-55 to AU-58 grade. The color has a nice natural-appearing fade from the perimeter inwards to the brilliant centers. If it has been cleaned someone did a beautiful job with the re-toning!

I don't expect you will have any trouble getting it slabbed if you are inclined to do so. It's a real beauty. Congrats!
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 Posted 06/25/2009  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Electric_Op_Ltd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jaobler thanks for that reply and I didnt really want ot hijack the thread, lol.
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She sent met he WRONG...FRIGGIN...COIN
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