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1922 Threepence With Reverse Mark--New Details

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 Posted 12/28/2009  11:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here's an interesting 1922 threepence with a raised mark on the reverse.
Last time I posted pics, some thought the mark could be due to a die chip, file, or some other damage.

1922-Threepence-With-Reverse-Mark--New-Details

Today, I noticed something interesting about the raised mark. The main mark (dark arrows) crosses the shield in several places higher than the normal design.
This means the mark was recessed into the inverse shield design on the die. However, at the periphery of this mark are areas depressed below the coin's design (white arrows).
If struck this way, it means that around this depression in the die, there were areas raised above the normal design.

1922-Threepence-With-Reverse-Mark--New-Details

Which makes me wonder which circumstances best explain both the raised mark and the depressions struck into the coin? Here are 3 possible scenarios I considered:

• If the mark is a die chip, that would not make a raised area on the die (white arrows).
• Deep file marks I've seen usually remove metal, creating a sharp transition between the raised mark and the normal design.
• If an object were struck into a die, I would expect displaced metal around the object that pushes upward, resulting in a recessed area struck into the coin.

Of these three options, I think a hard object striking the die best explains all the details on the coin. If that's a plausible scenario, then I wonder if the marks is damage to a hardened die while on press, or mispunched into a soft steel die before it's hardened for use? Thoughts?

Yes--I'm probably thinking too hard about this coin, but it's one of my more intriguing finds. Thanks for reading!
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 Posted 12/29/2009  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a mystery as to how it occurred. I also think that you are excellent at spotting these 'errors' and bringing them to everyone's attention.

I wish I knew for sure what happened to this one.
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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 Posted 12/29/2009  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nancy,
So true, and I cannot resist a good mystery.
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 Posted 01/06/2010  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Somebody slipped while working on the die with a screwdriver?
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 Posted 01/07/2010  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe the 1922/21 overdate isn't an overdate after all. Maybe this is the precursor to the overdate and the '1' hasn't made it's way fully down to the 2 yet.
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 Posted 01/07/2010  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll give my coin some time to "grow into" the 1922/1
markn--it definitely has that shape--maybe a tool slipped before the die was hardened?
Thanks for your ideas!
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