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Pillar of the Community
United States
1314 Posts |
Gentlemen,
I know you've endured the same basic questions from a thousand other novices, and now I am number 1001.
So you don't have to re-type, just share the links.
I have a bunch of stuff for the Pentax P3n film camera. And want to invest in a digital camera. And think that all the lenses I have may fit a digital Pentax.
1) What newer digital Pentax body might be compatible? 2) I need to shoot Morgan VAMS 3) I also want to shoot outdoors stuff. But know that the universal tool is one that doesn't do anything well. 4) Can I buy a Pentax digital body, and use my film type lenses? 5) What Pentax digital body is best for my use?
This seems like a hornet's nest of questions for the Knowing Few, but it is nothing compared to the rest of questions I have.
If I have ever taken a good photo, it was entirely by accident, and I know less about camera jargon, than a hamster knows about physics.
But we all need to start somewhere, and this is my start.
Thanks, Kurt
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Moderator
 United States
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Heh. Nicely done.  I'm no Pentax expert, so take my words with a grain of salt. However, I'm rather sure that your older lenses will fit and function with newer Pentax digital cameras - their lens mounting system hasn't changed - although some features will not be available on a case-by-case basis. It shouldn't have great bearing on your coin photography - if you're going to invest in a Pentax dSLR, you're going to be shooting with manual settings anyway. Do you already have a dedicated Macro lens? Failing that, are any of your lenses Primes (non-zoom)? The entry-level Pentax dSLR, the K-r, is a perfectly good piece of kit for your needs, both indoors and out. It's available with the 18-55 kit lens for about $625 - you'll want that kit lens for your outdoor learning process, as it will utilize all of the camera's automatic capabilities and adds a minimal increase to the price of the camera without a lens. So, first we need to know what you've got for lenses available - it's quite possible you already own one which will be fine with coin imaging. OK. Homework: http://www.all-things-photography.c...ography.html
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1314 Posts |
Super Dave, I have not done all of my homework, but the site you suggest offers a lot of good information. 1) Some time ago I purchased at auction... (2) Pentax P3n cameras with SMC Pentax-A 1:2 50mm lenses (1) Each... Sigma Macro 1:2.8 f=50mm 52o (I've been told, a good starter for coin work.) Auto Zoom (Sears) 1:4.0 f=70-210mm 55o (I think good for wildlife or sports events.) Ricoh 1:1.7 50mm 52o (Pretty girls? Just guessing.) Pentax hot shoe flash Remote shutter release Lens caps, shade and protective bags Instruction booklets Carry case 2) Though I have tried to relate the data accurately, it somewhat meaningless to me. I trust my homework will greatly enhance my understanding. 3) You mentioned that "Some features may not be available on a case-by-case basis." What features are there to consider? I should like to keep my ear to the ground as I do homework, research and look on ebay. If it it possible to buy one Pentax dSLR that does it all, I'll want to know in advance of purchase if my lenses are able to respond to the features offered by the camera. 4) I saw an ebay auction for a Pentax K compatable lens and wondered if it would be an improvement over what I have for coin work? It was a Sigma Macro Zoom 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6. The description said that it was an aspherical lens. Would this mean that it will produce aspherical distortion, or that it eliminates the distortion? It sold for $23.80. 5) You suggested a Pentax with 18-55 kit lens. What do the 18-55 numbers measure? Is it a Prime lens or zoom type? I can probably ask more questions than you have time to answer, but if we chip away at my mountain of ignorance, one small bit at a time, I am confident that I will soon gain a remedial understanding of Pentax bodies and lens configurations. And perhaps find a combination that is more useful than a Dino-lite. Thank you for your assistance, Kurt
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Pillar of the Community
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 Can't help with the photo stuff, I'm like that hamster in the cage. Just practice, practice, practice. There is a photo test Forum here at the very bottom of the posts. I think thats where it is. Also the Uploading Images and Free Image Optimizer here at CCF is great.
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23522 Posts |
OK. The Pentax dSLR you buy will "do it all." It's the older lenses which are the limitation - they will probably not autofocus with your newer camera, and they won't interact with it to help you determine whether your settings are correct for the conditions. They simply don't have the sophisticated electronic connection to the camera that newer lenses do. It won't stop them from taking good pictures with a new camera. You're just going to have to know more about photography to make them do it. Pentax has two major dSLR models, K-r and K-5. The K-5 is their upper-tier model, costs $1500 for the body only (no lens), and doesn't have a whole lot of serious advantages over its' cheaper little brother. I can't in good conscience recommend it to you unless you intend to get very serious about photography, as in serious enough to buy multiple lenses each costing as much or quit a bit more than the camera itself. I didn't think so.  The 18-55 kit lens is a zoom, 18 being the shortest focal length and 55 the longest. It's about $40 extra than the cost of the body alone. If you're intending to use it for anything besides coins, I recommend you get it as it'll use all of the camera's capabilities, making life a whole lot easier for you as a beginning photographer. The Sigma 50mm Macro will be a good starting lens for you to learn coin photography. You need not consider buying another lens for coin photography for the moment, perhaps forever. The "Sigma Macro Zoom" lens you mention is, in essence, worth about what was paid for it, which is to say not much. It's designated "Macro" simply because it's capable of focusing at distances close enough to be a macro lens. For macro work, you really want a prime, not a zoom. Terms to wrap your mind around (Google is your friend): Aperture Exposure ISO
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New Member
Israel
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What a coincidence, I am a Pentax user too :)
I have a K-r, and I love it. But pretty much all of the Pentax DSLRs will work with your old lenses.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1314 Posts |
Thanks all for your guidance.
It appears as though a new Pentax K-r is on my shopping list. As soon as I win the lottery, I will start posting pictures. In the mean time, more research.
We've established two important things... 1) The 18-55 kit lens may not be best for coin work, but it is too good to pass up for a few extra dollars. 2) A new camera will do everything I might wish for, but my accessory lenses may not respond to the automation of a new camera.
Next I would like to learn if the accesory lenses will respond to the newer automation.
Are there markings on my lenses that would tell me that it will autofocus or give feedback on settings?
Would it help if I compared a photograph of the connection contacts of a new K-r lens, to that of my accessory lenses?
Thanks, Kurt
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
You can plan on little "automatic" happening. Not only are they not Pentax-branded, but more importantly, they predate the electronic thinking/design involved in a digital camera. You can pretty much adapt any lens to any camera, but it will only work manually. All the better reason to learn the underpinnings of photography. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1314 Posts |
Super Dave, Thanks for everything. You're preaching to the choir about learning the basics of manual operation. I may not know photography yet, but I've developed a philosophy about automation. Automation is great for manufacturing. But I don't want any machine making decisions for me. My favorite vehicle is a '64 Chev pickup. Has terrible road rust, but I can push start it myself. Someday I'll get a radio. Favorite motorcycle is a '67 Norton. Has no battery, doesn't need one. Radio is in my pocket with ear buds...$29.99. I work on Can-Am Spyders, the recreational 3 wheeled motorcycle, and find that automatic settings are expensive, don't work, require a lot of repair and may get you injured. At $29,995.00 they spend most of their time in the shop.
Go Manual.
Thanks, Kurt
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You, Sir, are a man after mine own heart.  When it comes time to take your shiny new camera gear out into the real world, though - as opposed to shooting coins - use it in Aperture Priority mode. You'll know what that is soon, from what you've said to describe yourself. All you'll be using is aperture settings to define the depth of field you wish for that shot, and the camera will calculate the rest. You could do that in fully Manual mode, as well, but once you got done thinking the shot would be gone. A-mode is the method of choice for even pros under certain circumstances, and I rarely leave home without it. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Amen. "A all the way". Nice thing about A mode is I can use old manual focus lenses with real aperture rings and manually control the focus and depth of field but never worry about exposure. That is the whole reason I bought the Nikon D7000, ie it is able to mount manual lenses and work well with them. One of my favorite lenses is the 200/4 Micro-Nikkor with a 2X Teleconverter. Talk about an awesome setup, it gives you a 400mm lens capable of 1:1. In A mode it's a joy to use.
Contact me for photographic equipment or visit my home page at: http://macrocoins.com
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1314 Posts |
Gentlemen, I,ve been doing a little more looking and learning, (while I save up my allowance,) and have come up with another question. Would any of the other pentax bodies be worth consideration? Such as the K10, K110, K20, K200 or K2000?
I see that the K-x has video capabilities, and is a feature I will never use. But if the other camera bodies are half as good as a K-x, that may explain why they are half the price.
Also, will the K-x do multiple exposures like a film camera, or is that effect done with processing software?
Thanks, Kurt
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 United States
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They're half the price because they are older, superseded models. Likely used or ex-display models; they're old enough so that brand-new boxed examples would likely have a premium simply because they're scarce. Generational improvements in the sensor and software mean that a newer camera will be better, but "twice" as good? No. If you're comfortable buying a used camera, it is a viable option. It will still be an order of magnitude better than the very best point-and-shoot. Multiple exposures are strictly a postprocessing function with digital cameras. On the bright side, you can do just about whatever you want with the results.  Today's term to learn: HDR Photography
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1314 Posts |
Dear Super Dave,
You sir, are a trouble maker. I have'nt a proper camera yet, and already you are lureing me down another of a thousand rabbit holes.
I sacrifice for my collections, and now for art. But when does it stop?
OK, I gave up groceries to buy coins. Sold my children to the Gypsies to buy a Mavica. Have no heat in the winter or cooling in the summer.
I can eat acorns and thorns to survive. But now you introduce me to High Dynamic Range photography?
Must I give up sleep as well?
The allure is too great. I'll sell my prized posession, a 1995 GEO, walk 10 miles to work, and buy the eqipment to immerse myself in the world of captured images.
But I must know... Are you my savior, or do you come from the dark side?
Later, Kurt
PS As I gain expertise in posting images on this web site, Ill share with you and the other viewer's a picture I took 25 years ago, and won a prize of $50.
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 United States
23522 Posts |
I am but a signpost. It is your choice whether to proceed in the direction to which I point.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1314 Posts |
Super Dave,
Aparrently, I am following the signposts.
I just bought a used K-x, for less than $400.
It didn't come with the 18-55 lens, but I won't need it for coins, and I've seen them available sepparately. It did come with lots of other accessories. And I have the Sigma 50mm for coins. Next, I go to the basement and see if one of the drill presses can be converted to a camera stand. Ooh, I think one will work nicely.
And this HDR photography is powerful. I've never tried strong drugs, but I think you've introduced me to a new addiction. All the photos are fabulous, but the Christmas scene looks like a painting. I won't try it soon, but I'll monitor it frequently.
I spent a little time in the yard today, taking pictures of flowers. The images will be used to make greeting cards. And I imagined all the possibilities my yard will provide when the new camera arrives.
Thanks (I think) for the new addition, Kurt
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