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C. N. Journal Articles On Victorian Cents

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The 1881 and 1882 cents are extremely complicated, particularly the hybrids, and numerous hybrid dies were sunk and used. The best study of them I have seen has been done by another collector but is yet unpublished. His study was based on far more coins in hand, several hundred across both dates, than was my study in Dies & Diadems. I referred to it several times in my recent CN Journal articles. It is excellent.

Most (and perhaps all) of the obverse punches used in 1881 were raised with single serifs and the double serifs were added by re-punching the working dies individually. This re-punching by Heaton was often poorly done and remnants of the underlying single serif letters can be seen on some dies, like the one you posted.

It generally took three pressings to sink an obverse die in 1881 and 1882. Often, the same punch was not used in the three successive pressings, hence the hybrid dies. Add to that the facts that the different punches and dies distorted to varying degrees, that dies were uniquely corrected by re-punching, and you get the complicated landscape that is 1881 and 1882 cents. I would respectfully suggest you read the following two articles which describes a few fascinating 1882 obverse hybrid dies and how they came to be. The articles are also generally applicable to the die-sinking process used in 1881.

Dan Flynn and Rob Turner, "Unintended Consequences - The 1882-H Obverse 2 over 1 Cents from the Heaton Mint," Canadian Numismatic Journal, vol. 68, no. 5, (Markham ON: RCNA, July/August 2023), 212-219.

Rob Turner, "A Numismatic Unicorn," Canadian Numismatic Journal, vol. 69, no. 8, (Markham ON: RCNA, December 2024), 352-357.

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Yep, they're very complicated years. I mispoke about the J punch, as I didn't mean to involve the 1882H yet. I'm purely concentrating on the 1881H for now.

I knew I was in for it when I found 10 die pairs after having gone through only 20 coins. It settled down a bit after that. I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least 50 die pairs. I knew there was someone conducting studies of the 1881 & 1882 but they obviously have remained unpublished and only available to a limited few for now. I may be able to publish the 1881 in the next couple months but I already know it won't be as complete as I would probably like. I usually have a sense that I have the 90-95% solution, because of sample size . But this study will require very high grade coins to do it justice, obviously problematic if sample size is insufficient. I think I've 've got about 60 on hand, none MS but a few AU, but I won't look at them until I think the study is reasonably complete - what I believe is the 80% solution in this case. It would be interesting to compare the results of two independent studies on this coin.

I doubt very much I will study the 1882. At a mintage of 4,000,000 I suspect that year would be brutal. I've got other more important coins of various denominations on my hit list.

BTW, I recently published the 1898H One Cent study I sent you few years ago. Its not quite the same since I made some amendments, and the sample size changed. You can access at https://substack.com/@classiccanadiannumismatics if you 'd like to check it out.

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rjd ... I think that you should take Rob's suggestion about looking at the two articles on the '81's. Rob and Dan have worked for years together on this and other dated Vicky cents. Just reading your post on the '81's seems to me that more or refocused eyeballs will be needed. The '81's will be a handful. In my opinion, the '81's will be much tougher than the '59's were for Jim Haxby.
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