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Will Platinum Ever Come Back Above Gold?

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 Posted 11/04/2011  5:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was talking to someone, who refused to believe me that platinum isn't worth as much as gold now.

Do you think that platinum will rise back up?
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 Posted 11/04/2011  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If they have a computer or access to one, send then to:

http://www.kitco.com/market/

This page shows the daily US and world prices for silver, gold, platinum, and palladium. The info there should settle the issue.

As to whether or not Pt will ever be more valuable than Au... the probability is high that it will. Pt is both rarer and more useful than gold industrially, so there is a substantial market for it as something other than a precious metal. The chemical, oil refining, automobile, and waste treatment industries use a considerable amount of both Pt and Pd.

Currently, industrial production in the US is weak and there are enough problems in the financial world that Au is highly sought after as a store of wealth and a safe harbor from declining currencies and collapsing stocks and bonds.

The price of Pt has long been higher than that of Au. There have been a few short periods when Au prices exceeded those of Pt. This is usually a short term price aberration, however. In the past, a Pt price below that of Au was a strong buy signal for Pt.
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 Posted 11/04/2011  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ronpacheco4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think its just shows how crazy people are about gold.I know people that are starting to buy now.where were they when it was at 6 to 7 hundred an ounce?when sanity returns and the economy rebounds gold will fall and platinum will rise
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 Posted 11/04/2011  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to buy more platinum at these prices and hold on tight long term.
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 Posted 11/04/2011  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have not the slightest doubt that platinum price will be eventually be higher, (and quite considerably) than that of gold.

I also have NOT even the foggiest idea when that will happen, but it will.

While the current price situation is in place, it just means that the window for buying platinum is open for a longer period.
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 Posted 11/04/2011  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
people aren't crazy about gold, we are crazy to put our faith in paper money. When economic sanity finally arrives (can't return if it haven't been here), gold will stabilize (the value of paper money will be tied more closely with gold), and platinum will rise due to industrial demand picking back up.
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 Posted 11/05/2011  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really want to buy some fractional platinum eagles, but the premiums on them are ridiculous...

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So I called a local coin shop, and he said they had .25 and .5 ounce platinum eagles for $1825 per ounce. This is pretty high...

I called my preferred shop, and he sells all his platinum bullion (ungraded of course) for spot+75$ per ounce, which is a much much better deal.

Unfortunately they had none in. But this shop is in my parents city. I always try to stop by when I visit, I have never found prices better then his!
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I know people that are starting to buy now.where were they when it was at 6 to 7 hundred an ounce?

Well, having been there, I can tell you where they were then. They were thinking that gold at $700 an oz. was pretty expensive compared to the gold they were used to at $300-400 an oz. Little did we know back then what the future would bring!


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I called my preferred shop, and he sells all his platinum bullion (ungraded of course) for spot+75$ per ounce, which is a much much better deal. Unfortunately they had none in.

Well, heck... when I don't have any platinum to sell, I only charge a $50 premium per oz. over spot! That's a much better deal, right?
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 Posted 11/05/2011  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haha, I have been to this shop several times, and he keeps these prices consistent. Really nice guy and really helpful. I have a problem buying from other places.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have been to this shop several times, and he keeps these prices consistent. Really nice guy and really helpful. I have a problem buying from other places.

A good local dealer is a real asset to any coin or bullion collector. It's good that you have access to one where you are. I have one as well. He's great but since he runs a pawn shop, coins are not his main interest. I get a lot of good deals from him but his coin quantity is often fairly low. I have "cleaned him out" more than once, even though I did not buy all that many coins at one time.
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 Posted 11/07/2011  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still very ignorant in the matter of Pt prices. Does Pt tend to hold its price even when the economy tanks (lower industrial use) ?
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 Posted 11/08/2011  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I thnk its rarity keeps the prices up, and industrial demand....

There are actually a lot of industrial uses for platinum
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 Posted 11/08/2011  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's what I wonder about though. Is Pt prices driven more so by its industrial use (which will slow with a tanking economy), or by its rarity / "intrinsic" value?
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 Posted 11/08/2011  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a web page that goes into some detail about platinum and its uses:

http://www.louisianagold.com/platfact.htm

I don't know how platinum use breaks down in ounces, though. My guess is that it is used mostly by industry, so when industry slows so does platinum consumption and therefore platinum prices. Platinum is closely allied with the auto, chemical, petroleum refining, and waste treatment industries.
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 Posted 11/13/2011  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pt is almost always higher than Au.

The only thing I can see causing a serious problem is if a substantial amount of vehicle production switched to electric, and frankly, I don't see that happening any time soon.
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 Posted 11/15/2011  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The only thing I can see causing a serious problem is if a substantial amount of vehicle production switched to electric, and frankly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

I would agree with that. Electric cars today are at about the same development point as was the personal computer when the Commodore Vic-20 was selling. Yes, it was a computer but barely. So it goes with electric cars. They will come into their own eventually but that could easily take 25-30 more years of R&D. At the current state of development, they do have some niche applications but are primarily interesting and expensive novelties.
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