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 Posted 06/27/2013  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kurt as you can well see, you went from a full picture shot to an extreme close up shot of the date alone.....QUITE A DIFFERENCE don't you think!!.....AS we look at many of the
"EL CHEAPO" lenses we find that they WERE/ARE intended for a different use than for us to put them onto our bellows, as most are film developing lenses in some way, that we are using in another way as they are so cheap and so OUTSTANDING for this extreme use only......coins...macro work...even with the bellows you can get great results.....
While we all have trouble with the correct lighting to get the best shot, and due to the color of the coin this can be troublesome at best until you get your approach down...
These old cheap lenses do quite well withing the bonds of what we are tying to achieve...they sever us well in specific magnifying distances.....I believe it has to do with there dept of field..........
Meaning they are not meant to be an all around focus lens, and the use of focus and extreme best is served within a few millimeters of its focal "perception" use.."COINS" and there ability to be exact in the center and fall off to the edges or be tremedous across the entire frame....if only for coins....where the field is within a few millimeters from high to low....
interesting thing to see is when you use some of these out side of the "FLAT FIELD" coin arena that....these lense can be seen to be quite usable in other types of photo's, and a quite a difference of focal objectives...!! Hummmm.....an interesting thing came to mind some time in the past as I am /was using the old school enlarging lenses to shoot coins...I had to be with just a few inches of a couple of feet depending on the 50mm lens or the 105/135 lens.....its a part of its inabillity or abillity to focus only at some minimal distance depending in the MM size of the lense.....before I get you all lost...I found there was like telescopes, an additonal lens focus range beyond the close up.....as like in general I could use a lens to get say a silver dollar to be a whole shot coin shoot, of change the focal points and get some extreme close ups with the same lense instead of always changng the lenses but by changing focal points and distances....
as most of you will know, any 28mm lense for a camera I s for shooting landscape, a panaramic view but in the macro world its quite awesume.... for close ups...
lenses and there could be use for another time...
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 Posted 07/01/2013  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the deal of the century...seems Technical Instruments, an ebay seller I have bought many items from with good history, picked up a surplus lot of Nikon M5 0.1 microscope objectives and is practically giving them away. They are going for $5 each, plus reasonable shipping that they reduce for multiple purchases. I bought several, but have not received them so can't vouch for their quality, but other reviews I've seen for this lens are favorable. I think they're at least as good as the 4Plan 0.1 I use for many of my variety shots. When I bought mine I got an email saying they're closed next week so won't be able to ship until 7/9, so I won't be able to give any opinions until they are likely all gone. They have more than 10 left now but have sold 58 of them already. Maybe they started with 100? I don't know, but if you have any interest in variety photography with a high quality microscope objective, now is the time to pull the trigger. BUT don't come back to me if they are damaged, hazy, or just bad quality...I'll be in the same boat as you since I can't check them out for almost two weeks...

Here is the link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-M5-0-...em46109a3075

BTW #1...the M series objectives are for metallurgical microscopes, and have long working distances. What could be more appropriate for viewing coins than a metallurgical objective?

BTW #2...you will need an RMS adapter to make these work. I use cone shaped RMS-M42 adapters from jinfinance. Flat adapters are available and are a little cheaper. So if you buy one of these objectives, you will be committing yourself to paying an additional $12-$20 or more for an adapter to fit it to your camera or bellows.

edited to add: Here are a few choices of adapters, all RMS-M42:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RMS-Thread-...em5192a1613c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RMS-to-M42-...em3a823ed20c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RMS-thread-...em19de68adcb

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 Posted 07/09/2013  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got my M5 objectives today and they look great. Here is an image I just took with one...very similar in quality to the 4Plan but just slightly higher magnification. However, its 5x magnification is perfect for the money shot as shown below...

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 Posted 07/10/2013  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Money shot," indeed.

That's $5 well spent.
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 Posted 07/30/2013  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's rare that a decent-looking Nikon EL-Nikkor comes up with Buy It Now at my El-Cheapo level, but here is a 75mm f/4 for $29...I have configured several stands with this lens and it works great, even giving full range of US coin magnifications on Canon Auto Bellows. It is not quite as good as a 75ARD1 but it's also a fraction of the price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/75mm-Nikkor...em3a833bb51c
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 Posted 07/30/2013  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shipping cost is pretty hefty at $14, but still a nice overall price.
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 Posted 07/30/2013  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, then here is another one for a lower price and lower shipping...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14102624030....m1423.l2649
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 Posted 07/31/2013  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These things seem to be coming out of the woodwork, and the price is dropping. Here's an even better deal than either of the above...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...B:SS:US:3160
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 Posted 08/06/2013  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A nice price on this Pentax Autobellows ($60, free shipping)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honeywell-P...121152872565

These usually go for closer to $90-$100 in my experience. Cheaper if you are very patient. Also, it has a "Make an offer" option, so who knows what you could get it for. I have two of these bellows and they are phenomenal precision pieces of equipment.
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 Posted 08/12/2013  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've always liked the Vivitar Triple Track Bellows for its compact and rigid design. They usually come in native M42 and have a short minimum length so are ideal for use with the 75ARD1. Here is a "NOS" TTB available on ebay for an excellent price...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...B:SS:US:3160
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 Posted 08/14/2013  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a Vivitar 75mm LU for a great price, NOS...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...B:SS:US:3160
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 Posted 08/14/2013  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Voss 35mm f/3.5 Enlarging lens, $14 including shipping.

I've never used this brand of lens, but this one seems to be in nice condition and will likely get you all the quality and more you would need for imaging coins for internet/online use.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Voss-75mm-f...230979461369

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And, here's another of the Vivitar-LU 75mm f/3.5 lenses like the one Ray linked above. This one is listed at $16.95 with free shipping. I do have two examples of this little lens, and it's a nice cheap lens. It's also very easy to clean, as it just unscrews.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vivitar-Lu-...271248764845
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 Posted 08/18/2013  06:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pittstate03 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, do you use a Leica mount like this one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300925214402 for the Vivitar-LU 75mm f/3.5 if I have a Canon XSI?

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 Posted 08/18/2013  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pittstate03,

No, that won't work for this lens, for two reasons:
1) The lens mount is known as Leica Thread or Leica Screw Mount (LTM or LSM) and is a metric 39mm thread, often called M39. The adapter you linked is a Leica bayonet mount adapter.
2) You will also need some extensions to bring the lens farther from the camera for focusing. The lens has no focus mechanism. Many folks here use a bellows setup, but fixed extensions also work but are not as convenient for setting magnification.

Now, even with the above info, I don't recommend buying a M39-EOS adapter. This is because M39 extensions and bellows are hard to come by. If you go this route, get the more common M42 adapter and M42 extensions, then an M39-M42 adapter. So going from the camera to lens is like this:

Camera->EOS-M42->M42 Extensions->M42-M39->Lens

This type of setup is good for fixed magnification work, especially in the field. For coins it's "OK" but it's not easy to get the right magnification. However, you can get close and experiment with these EL-Cheapo lenses fairly inexpensively. A set of adapters and extensions will probably cost you about $20-$25 on ebay (plus shipping).
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 Posted 08/20/2013  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pittstate03 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a bunch! I think I purchased everything I need (for now). Thanks for all your help!
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