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jmkendall Pillar of the Community United States 1590 Posts	Posted 11/22/2011 12:03 pm I understand the Flag Code and agree with it. But I also understand the Historical perspective of the times. From Independence to the early 20th Century it was considered the height of patriotism to use the Flag as a decoration. Unfortunately, a lot of those decorations became soiled and hence disrespectful. It was this kind of abuse that led to the present Flag code. The thing to remember is that you are judging yesterdays standards on todays norms. But back in the day, having Lady Liberty draped in the Flag was highly Patriotic. Report this Post to the Staff
oih82w8 Pillar of the Community United States 7840 Posts	Posted 11/22/2011 1:17 pm There are a couple of the "occupy" supporters in my class who brought up the Walker/ASE flag draped figure. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189767 Posts	Posted 11/22/2011 4:16 pm Quote: Liberty is not a person it is a concept and is shown as an allegorical representation of a person. I see it as the concept or the idea of LIBERTY being "wrapped up" with the United States as represented by the flag. It is a symbolic union of the two, not clothing. I agree. Had George Washington been wearing the flag, I would think of it as inappropriate. Also, I see a difference between the flag being depicted on clothing versus the flag being used as clothing. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
cents1st Valued Member United States 59 Posts	Posted 11/26/2011 02:36 am The 50c was Weinman's and he did not portray LIBERTY wearing the flag as clothing. I held his original letter to Mint Director in my hands in Sept. 2011: Portrayed my design as "....enveloped in the folds of the stars & stripes....". As far as the law: you are breaking the law if you use a genuine flag to manufacture clothing...a shirt, trousers, skirt, hat, ect.. MacNeils 25c I have not seen his personal comment. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 11/26/2011 05:29 am MacNeil's quarter used drapery not a US flag on LIBERTY. Report this Post to the Staff
omahaorange Valued Member United States 294 Posts	Posted 11/26/2011 09:08 am Interesting discussion. I also learned about protocols for the flag during my scounting years, and not through any formal education, although we may have touched upon it during a history or civics class in grade school. As far as the Walking Liberty design, the coin was introduced in 1916, but (according to this web site: http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#USFC ) there were no rules governing display of the US Flag until after 1923. So, technically, Weinman's design violated nothing. Anybody else remember the 1960's, when various forms of desecration of the flag were popular forms of protest against the Vietnam War? Along with burning, people would actually sew the US flag to the seats of their pants as a form of protest. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court later ruled that these forms of protest are protected under the First Amendment, as the flag is a symbol of the government. The code states you cannot make clothing out of the flag. It says nothing about replicating or displaying the flag on clothing. How many public service workers display a flag on the uniform? How about Olympic athletes who wrap themselves in a flag after winning? Is this desecration, or patriotism? 9/11 caused a huge wave of patriotism. They couldn't make flags or flag symbols fast enough to meet demand. Report this Post to the Staff
KenKat Pillar of the Community United States 4085 Posts	Posted 11/26/2011 09:31 am I think there is a difference between wearing a flag as a piece of clothing and draping the flag over yourself as a show of patriotic fervor. Although I cannot envision any time that would be appropriate for an average Joe like myself to do so, I understand if Lady Liberty does. What about Olympic athletes who drape themselves in the flag after a gold medal performance? Obviously they don't do it as a show of disrespect but rather as a show of pride in their country and what it represents. My 7070 US Type Set My 7100 Lincoln Cent Set (now with updates!) Report this Post to the Staff
omahaorange Valued Member United States 294 Posts	Posted 11/27/2011 08:16 am Quote: I think there is a difference between wearing a flag as a piece of clothing and draping the flag over yourself as a show of patriotic fervor. Although I cannot envision any time that would be appropriate for an average Joe like myself to do so, I understand if Lady Liberty does. What about Olympic athletes who drape themselves in the flag after a gold medal performance? Obviously they don't do it as a show of disrespect but rather as a show of pride in their country and what it represents. Please don't misunderstand me, I do not believe it is wrong to wrap oneself in the flag like that, or display a flag on clothing, or wearing flag-themed garments. The OP's original question was regarding the use of the flag as clothing on coins, and how this fits with the Flag Code. Report this Post to the Staff
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