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Silver: OH This Is Going To Be Good...

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 Posted 01/04/2012  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mpc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Problem with Silver is that significant portion of it is still consumed for industrial use and its fate ultimately rests on global economy...
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 Posted 01/04/2012  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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All is not lost. Before silver resumes its uptrend there should be at least one more pullback to at least somewhere in the 27s.

I agree, Merlin. Towards the middle to end of January, I expect another decent buying opportunity in silver. It should at least test the $27 price and could dip a little below that.


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In my mind you aren't really a stacker.

Oh, I don't know about that. $30,000 worth of silver is a pretty respectable "stack".


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The people I'm concerned about are the people of modest means that are converting what little savings they have into gold and silver. A guy I know is in the process of converting his entire retirement savings into physical silver. That is an "all-in" bet on silver so if silver prices collapse he is screwed.

On the other hand, it IS their decision to make. Some choose well and some do not. In any case, it is up to them. I would not be making that choice but if that is what he wants, then I have no problem with it. He's got 3 basic outcomes available: 1) silver prices rise and he does very well; 2) silver prices stay flat and he maintains his wealth but does not add to it; or 3) silver prices fall and he loses money. If he does well, that will be great. If not, then it is his problem as to what he decides to do next.


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My acquaintance is convinced that the US economy is about to collapse and PM's are the only safe haven.

While that is certainly possible, it seems a long shot to me. I would consider inflation to be a more significant threat to one's wealth over time than a complete collapse. But, who knows? It could happen, even if it is unlikely.


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No one can rip physical silver off you

Yes, actually, they can. It is called burglary / home invasion. As MK and I have discussed a few times, keeping quiet about your stash is a critical part of keeping it (more) secure.


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He is in his mid-50's so he paid regular taxes plus a 10% penalty to cash out his accounts.

This is the part that would make me think long and hard about withdrawing the money from an IRA or other tax sheltered account. I would not have to pay the 10% penalty but paying 35% in taxes would be tough to swallow. I understand their reasoning on this, though. They are saying that 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing... and it is! The trick is that we have to be convinced that a complete crash is coming. I am not convinced that it is but, as always, I could be wrong. :-/
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 Posted 01/04/2012  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember the old cartoons with the old man carrying a sign that read "The end is near", well that cartoon has been around for at least a hundred years. Don't get fooled by the hucksters warning of doom and gloom. They've been around for hundreds if not thousands of years.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The trick is that we have to be convinced that a complete crash is coming. I am not convinced that it is but, as always, I could be wrong. :-/


I am convinced that a complete and total crash is coming. The only thing holding it back is that Europe is in worse condition than we are. The big question is why the only country in Europe that can solve the crisis (Germany) is dragging her feet. Is there an ulterior motive? Don't know, but it sure looks like it. The longer the EU crisis lasts, the more Germany gains, up to a point. Apparently we have not reached that point yet.

In the meantime, America LOOKS like it is in better shape than Europe, even though the total American debt to GDP ratio is one of the worst in the world, not far behind Greece. So everyone is rushing to park their money in American debt. What happens when, not if, Germany finally steps up to the plate, pares down the EU to ONLY viable economies, with the rest of Europe as virtual slaves to them?

You will hear the biggest vacuum cleaner in the world sucking the life out of the American dollar as EVERYONE SUDDENLY ALL AT THE SAME TIME RUSHES FOR THE DOOR. It will be the biggest, and probably fastest, monetary collapse in the history of the world. And remember, economic weaklings are also military weaklings, with NO control over their destiny. No credit & no economy = No money = No military = No defense.

Is this an extreme view? Absolutely. Do I like it? Absolutely not. Will it happen? Most likely. Will it be that bad? Probably worse. Should I bury my head in the sand and pretend that it cannot happen? Hiding will not help anything nor change anything.

As an aside, Merkel's tenure looks about over. There are two Bavarians, Edmund Stoiber and Herr Karl Theodor von- und zu-Guttenberg, both disciples of Franz Joseph Strauss, another Bavarian, that may soon be propelled into office. Both men have a history of accomplishing the impossible, and doing it in record time. If either or both attain power, they will solve the European crisis in record time. When that happens, the dollar will collapse against the Euro, or whatever its replacement is called, and the vacuum cleaner will start sucking - WHOOOOOOOOSH goes the dollar. It would not surprise me to see the German Mark resurrected to become the core currency of Europe with the Euro, or other resurrected national currencies, for the rest of the EU.

In the meantime, the head of the ECB, Mario Draghi, the most powerful man in the world now (he controls the destinies of most if not all countries through his ECB post), will continue to tighten the screws on anyone sucked into the vortex of the European mess, meaning primarily America. It is like he has a bear trap that he is holding open waiting for everyone to enter before he finally lets it snap shut on the victims.

I really do not see any other result. And we are willingly being led to the slaughter. So sad.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CowboyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its all about the value of the uS Dollar. If it tanks then PM's will shyrocket. I dont think that will happen even if the Euro crashes that would probably mean the dollar will go up, not good for PM's. I buy a little silver here and there when I can get it cheap. Over time I am getting a good hoard.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read an article on the US dollar crashing and PMs soaring in association with the new law signed on New years Eve and how if that happens PMs will possibly be regulated or not allowed to be sold to US citizens. Part of the war on terror portion stating how US citizens can be held with no charge or crime by the military if they are under suspicion os being a t...ist! Any person that uses cash, owns a gun owns a PM along with many other quite everyday items may be considered a T!
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 Posted 01/05/2012  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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As an aside, next year could be a watershed year in gold if history repeats. On 5 April 1933 FDR confiscated gold. That date is 1254 days after the crash on 29 October 1929. 1254 days after the 2008 crash is 31 March 2012. It may be a date to watch if gold resumes making record highs.

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Watershed moment (if history repeats) would mean gold confiscation which is more and more likely to happen as gold goes up. Holders (hoarders) of gold torpedo the actions of the powers that be if left alone. So, as gold climbs higher, the more threatened are the policies of the government, therefore requiring drastic action "for the good of the country". In other words, private gold ownership shackles the government from confiscating money through inflation and is a direct threat to the survival of the government.

on the 17th of December in this thread.

That jives with what angel just said, so it is more imperative to be aware that this could happen if PMs rocket.
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 Posted 01/05/2012  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the gov decided to confiscate all the gold again which I personally doubt will happen (and that fact makes me think it probably will, lol.), then I figure that will just be another big plus over in the silver holders camp eh....
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 Posted 01/05/2012  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think silver was considered a PM back in the thirties, It certainaly is now.
If the goverment was crazy enough to confiscate the gold, What makes you think that silver would be exempt
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 Posted 01/05/2012  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point Trout, I was kinda hoping it would get ignored like it does by most, hiding behind the ball lol....
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 Posted 01/05/2012  04:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't think silver was considered a PM back in the thirties, It certainaly is now.


Silver was money in the 30s. No way that they could do anything then. Now bits and bytes are money, so silver is now a possible, maybe probable, target. It shares with gold the fact that it shackles the government.
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 Posted 01/05/2012  04:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No credit & no economy = No money = No military = No defense.

The US has the largest sitting army in the world, if the PTB would just obey the constitution. 50 million gun owners, ready to go as fast as they can grab them.
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 Posted 01/05/2012  05:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't think silver was considered a PM back in the thirties,

Our first coins were silver, silver certificates have been around since at least 1886.
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 Posted 01/05/2012  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The US has the largest sitting army in the world, if the PTB would just obey the constitution. 50 million gun owners, ready to go as fast as they can grab them.


That is the whole problem.
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 Posted 01/05/2012  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes but it seems it doesn't have to be followed as of lately and it flies!
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