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 Posted 01/06/2012  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coppertop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They lose Alot every year on cents and nickels but they gain more money on all other coinage. A quarter is worth nil in metal value. I hear brinks has turned their super sorter sorting on in the USA now like they have been in Canada. Hoard your cents ,great thread!
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01/06/2012 6:12 pm
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 Posted 01/06/2012  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Italy was using stainless steel for their coinge for a number of years.

It is very hard wearing for a circulating coinage, but it is also hard to strike. The relief on the Italian coinage was quite shallow, no doubt an indication of the hardness of the stainless steel used. I guess the shallowness of the relief was a way to extend die life. From the color the coins, the admixture of chrome and nickel must have been more than 10%. Cutlery stainless is 18% nickel and 8% chromium.

For coinage purposes, a very low concentration of nickel (say 1 to 2 %), in an otherwise pure iron for the core of a coin makes a little more sense to me. The rust problem is not entirely eliminated, but would proceed at a much slower pace, depending on conditions, and especially in the clad or plated core of a coin.

Steel is an alloy of carbon and iron. Natural colloidal carbon particles can be removed from molten iron by blasing air or oxygen through it, or by adding magnesium. If magnesium is used, a violent reaction takes place. Ductile iron is made in this way, and is used in the manufacture of ductile iron piping for water mains. Perhaps ingots of this material could be rolled and stamped into blanks for coinage cores.
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 Posted 01/06/2012  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texfischer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hoard all my pre-82s, and if there are no errors, I put em away for who knows what. I hate the relief on the new ones, so they're worthless to me.
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 Posted 01/12/2012  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alright, here are some facts from 2010.

The US Mint's 2010 annual report is listed here:
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_min...nnual_report

If you scroll down in the file and look on page 27, they mention a loss on the cent and nickel.

The penny (-$27.4) and nickel (-$15.2) coins were produced at a loss of $42.6 million.

The dime ($38.1) and quarter ($31.0) made $69.1 million profit.

So even if we don't include the dollar coin at all, they still make a slight profit. That doesn't even include any other items they sell that make a profit, so there is some buffer room for losses to increase before they lose overall.

We'll have to wait and see. Otherwise start a petition and write the US Mint and Treasury for a change. I don't see the cent being eliminated or even a study being done for at least another 2-3 more years. There are way too many bigger issues they need to work on, like cutting the federal budget by a trillion dollars.

Hopefully they have a 2011 report out in the next month or two.
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Couldn't agree more. Thanks for the link.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add f16 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that they should be steel
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 Posted 01/13/2012  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Teach to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steel money........isn't the govt. already stealing money from us
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I think they should be eliminated. Instead of seeing if we can make this pocket lint out of something cheaper until we use bat crap, admit cents and nickels are more aggravation than they're worth.
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Hopefully they have a 2011 report out in the next month or two.

Hope so. There was a thread on one of the forums that reported that the Mint changed the way they calculate the coins on the coins and the loss on the 2011 cents and nickels was $116.7 million. That's an increased loss of over $70 million. If they did change the method and increased the loss on the cent and nickel that much it probably also reduced the profit from the dimes and quarters as well. they will probably still show a profit for 2011 because of the dollar coins, but that profit won't be there this year.
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 Posted 01/14/2012  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see Canada is making Loons and Toons out of steel soon
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 Posted 01/16/2012  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Radarcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guess I'm sort of a "collect everything" type of guy, but if they were to make modern coins out of wood, aluminum, or whatever, I'd get serious about my Barber dimes, quarters and halves!
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Actually, and as much as I gripe about it, I've seen relatively few rust problems with the steel plated coins here. It does happen, but usually after some ancillary damage has exposed the coins core. The nickel and underlying copper plate pretty much seal it up nice. I don't imagine they will ever be as durable as their solid alloy counterparts. The other downside is the strikes look like garbage.

I like steel cored cents better than zinc cents though.
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Canada switched to 94% steel pennies in the year 2000, huge cost savings, stimulates domestic steel companies, win win win. Of course, I actually hope the one cent piece goes the way of the half-cent piece. But if we have to keep it for posterity, lets do it right.
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