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New Member
United Kingdom
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Hi, I read harrison2's thread with interest, as I recently bought from two different sellers on ebay three coins with certificates ( I know these are also sold on ebay). I have two Jersey £2 unc silver proof coins which were minted in silver & cupro nickel. I also have a Guernsey £5 coin similar to the above in all respects. I recently bought some silver testing kits which have given me a great deal of relief when I've doubted, but not with these coins! Nothing at all happens, the drop sits on the coin in the way that mercury does on a surface, no colour change of the liquid, no staining on the coins. I tried washing the coins in case there was an oily barrier, when that failed I gently scraped the rim on one coin, still no result. I spent quite a bit on these coins, so really do need to know what they are. Can any of you experienced members please help me out?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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does your kit have acid for testing 18K gold? If you "streak" silver on a touchstone and drop 18K acid in it it will fizz a blue color.
How is your silver test supposed to work? some of the ones I've seen only turn green if it's bad but do nothing if it's silver.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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 , newtothis925! Different solutions test for absence or presence of different things, even if they're all silver testers. How goes your solution react to stainless? Other copper-nickel, like a US nickel?
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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An acid test on any silver proof coin will permanently stain it, and reduce it's value to bullion level only.
Cupronickel and silver proofs of the same denomination and design are easily seen apart. Silver has a much whiter appearance.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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18K acid should turn that sterling bright blue according to the text I have been studying the past week....
There is much to it, like white gold should test fine with 14k acid, too say the scratch on the stone does not change under the acid. But, if the test results are the same when you use 18K acid, then it is not white gold at all, but high grade steel or anther strange metal which name escapes be, but starts with a V. If it is indeed white gold 14k, when you add the 18k acid, it slowly turns black then disappears and you know you are good....
We never buy dental gold, unless it is yellow gold, no white cause it could be high grade steel, and all dental gold is 16k, or .650 seems like, where 14k is .585 pure. Same thing with class rings, gotta be real careful to check for all the proper stamps, as many are made of steel....
Sometimes, sterling comes back fake from melt, even when it test bright blue, not an exact science for acid testing sterling....
Sterling by the way which is .925 was silver mined in Nevada and minted in the UK.....
Edited by Silverhawk74 01/19/2012 11:46 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@silverhawk...watch out for cobalt too when checking white gold. Usually marked 18K and it will hold under the acid.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great call Amida17 I will have to remember that an pass the info along....
My girlfriend drives a Cobalt, so should be easy to recall, lol....
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Valued Member
United States
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Just weigh the coins and compare them with a known weight for that issue in silver. Also, if the weight is accurate you might want to use calipers to check and make sure the coin is the proper thickness. Using an acid on the coin would mark it and destroy numismatic premium.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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silverhawk....Do they use any of the electronic testers at your new job?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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"silverhawk....Do they use any of the electronic testers at your new job?"
Only for diamonds. Rub the stone clean if it does not test positive, then it should there after....
I saw on Hardcore Pawn where Less Gold actually forked out 16 grand for a gold purity testing machine, and it got rid of there rock an acid, ad all his girls love it. He borrowed it to start to see if they likd it an if it was worth the money, and it saved him a couple hundred on an item they would have bought that was fake, and he was in like flynn after that, lol....
Less will spend 16 grand, if it saves him 16,025 dollars within a certain period, lol....
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Hi, thank you for your responses.  ALL of the coins were & are minted in the same weights & dimensions as sterling. The test kit works thus:- The solution is a reddish orange & contains mostly nitric acid. The results of a one second drop of solution on various metals: Sterling silver... bright dark red & leaves a white..ish dull mark.. Cupro nickel...... greenish brown & leaves a greenish stain which would need rubbing to remove.. 50% silver ... dark reddish purple & leaves a slightly darker than the coin stain which can be easily rubbed out. Stainless steel? I hadn't thought of that, so I've just tested some good stainless, the result was...no reaction after some minutes & no staining. I just did the same with these coins with the same result! Thanks to all of you.  I just need to contact the sellers. 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: 18K acid should turn that sterling bright blue according to the text I have been studying the past week....
OK, but  is 18K acid? That's not its chemical name.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: high grade steel or anther strange metal which name escapes be, but starts with a V. Vanadium? There are also trade-named metals used by jewelry manufacturers, like Precium (Ag/Pd alloy), Opulux (over 16% pure gold with a mixuture of alloys), Valerium (non-precious metal consisting of jeweler's alloys), Lustrium® - A non-precious metal alloy that is silver in color), Yellow Lustrium® (yellow in color because of coating with 23 karat yellow gold), Solaris Elite™ (yellow 6K metal alloy), Silver Elite® (77% silver, 3% platinum, and 20% other metal alloy), ad nauseum.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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"There are also trade-named metals used by jewelry manufacturers, like Precium (Ag/Pd alloy), Opulux (over 16% pure gold with a mixuture of alloys), Valerium (non-precious metal consisting of jeweler's alloys), Lustrium® - A non-precious metal alloy that is silver in color), Yellow Lustrium® (yellow in color because of coating with 23 karat yellow gold), Solaris Elite™ (yellow 6K metal alloy), Silver Elite® (77% silver, 3% platinum, and 20% other metal alloy), ad nauseum."
Now there is 30 to 40 years worth of learning an info in one paragraph, very nice info. I butcher most of it, as it is all to new to me, and I try an cram a lot of info in a short time, and I mess up on the key important DETAILS. But, I will get it all figured out, I just need to go through the motions a bit more on buying G an S. We have had some business an good items added since I started. But, being early Jan before most have gotten tax returns, not many have much extra cash right now to spend....
That is why it is tough to buy in the dead of winter when prices fall, as you have Christmas an holidays first, then bills an less income in many cases. So again this is all just factored into the system IMO, from so called economic experts who have enough influence to get the people in position that has the power to push the buttons they need pushed....
I don't consider that a dark "conspiracy theory", but they do have an agenda, and I think their agenda is simply what they think is best for the country.....
My last point there, someone or ones control those lines, and again historically you can see many patterns that are similar. Now, there are many exceptions to that, as this new year ahead is a new finger print so to speak, and really no way to say what exactly the future will bring....
And that is why we call it speculating instead of investing as MK would say....
Edited by Silverhawk74 01/20/2012 11:34 pm
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Hi, thank you for your replies. I had neglected to actually weigh the coins myself, I have 1@ 28.03g, 1@ 28.2g & 1@ 28.5g. I am almost certain that the coins are stainless steel, we did think first of Palladium, but those particular coins were only made in cupro-nickel or sterling silver. A forgery is more likely to be stainless. You have all helped so much, I found this on Google a few minutes ago "Testing Precious Metals C.M Hoke[1]". This book can be downloaded & printed.  Good luck.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: I saw on Hardcore Pawn where Less Gold actually forked out 16 grand for a gold purity testing machine, and it got rid of there rock an acid, ad all his girls love it. Maybe for 16k you could get a good tester. There are cheap ones that run on a battery and you put a paste on the ring, and they're a big PITA.
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