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 Posted 02/06/2012  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Larena,
Could you explain your idea step by step regarding what you think might have happened during the minting process?
I am having trouble working out what you mean.
If there were 2 blanks stamped at the same time, then each would have one side blank and one side with the design on the coin. I guess it would be very likely that there would be some misallignment between the 2 blanks, and some spreading out of the blank which was not contained in the collar.
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 Posted 02/06/2012  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what I've read is that they do the rims first....so if 2 blanks went down together into the collar with both rims done, where does the excess metal go on the 2nd (top ) rim when the design is stamped. That's my theory on how the top rim was flattened ..what do you think?
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 Posted 02/06/2012  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wouldnt the weight of stamping cut of or remove any excess metal on the outside of the planchetts? I tend to think they would but have never seen or studied the process yet
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 Posted 02/06/2012  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I understanding what you are suggesting larena,As was mentioned earlier,if that was the case then there would be no design on one side of each coin,the 2 surfaces facing inward could not possibly have been struck.

What thesandpit said earlier is that it may be a partial collar which means the collar did'nt go down far enough or in this case it would have had to be down too far & when the coin was struck the metal was forced out over the top of the collar & flattened out,no 2nd coin involved.
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 Posted 02/07/2012  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, that makes more sense appleangel107....it certainly does not look like PMD to me. It is too uniform to be that, and the central part of the reverse is quite normal.
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 Posted 02/07/2012  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If heat was involved as Sap has indicated, it would have been heated to the 'paste range' of copper nickel alloy.

Copper has a melting point of about 1080 deg.C.,
Nickel has a melting point of about 400 deg. C. higher than that, i.e. around 1400 deg. C.

There is not much evidence of black surface oxidation of the alloy, perhaps most of that has been removed.
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 Posted 02/07/2012  07:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sel 691 I'm quite sure this was not done by heat of any kind....I feel it was done while the coin was still in the collar as the obverse has not been damaged in any way
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