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 Posted 02/22/2012  05:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, if you buy a $200 coin and can't resell it for that much or at least close to that much, then I think you got a bad deal. However I also agree with his statement because many new collectors don't get the greatest deals. The first coin I ever bought was a large cent that I thought was a great deal at $120. After posting it on this forum everyone was guessing around $45. I definitely can't resell it for how much I paid. If not mistaken, I think justcarl was speaking more for the new collectors who would buy a $200 coin.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with buying the best you can one nice coin is better than a bunch of common coins, though you won't generally get as much fun out of a single coin. Use knowledge to score the big ones, there has been more than a dozen times I've used knowledge from books to buy what appeared to be a common coin for under $20.00 and flipped that coin becuase of a rare variety or error for many times what I paid for it, the best couple being VAM Morgan dollars purchased for silver melt ($7-15) and sold for well over $1K! It can work for you too, I follow my tagline below from Mr. Feldman - Buy the book before the Coin. Scott Travers has some good books on investing as does Q. David Bowers, his is older but still plenty of good advice is contained within it. "High Profits from Rare Coins."
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 Posted 02/22/2012  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think it's important to teach kids the value of saving, investing, not going into debt, early.
I agree, except do not think of coins as an investment; at least not yet.

In my opinion, the best thing to do is only spend disposable money on coins. I feel that coin collecting is more enjoyable when coins are not thought of as an investment. There are no guarantees. Thinking "I can always sell this if I need the money" can cause you to justify purchases, whether you can afford it or not.

This is not to say one cannot be a successful coin investor (or someone who wants to be able to sell them in an emergency). While coin investing is not my preference, there are those who have success with it. I feel that success only comes with experience; experience one who is just getting started does not have. So, for now, enjoy this as a hobby and allow that experience to come.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jbuck, that is some good solid advise. I have made the mistake of justifying purchases in my millitaria collecting by thinking of the items as investments way before I was schooled enough in the hobby to know what a true investment peace was, or the time it would take to see that investment pay off. In coins I know I am not smart enough in the hobby yet to even think about investment pieces, but even if or when I do gain that knowledge I think I personally will stay out of the investment game.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jj5051 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again, all geat advice and well received. What I do want to ask is this question-as a beginner would you buy 1 $200 dollar coin (MS) or would you buy 10 $20 coins (MS)? Thanks.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Right now, I'd rather have 1 $200 coin. But when I just started, I went with 10 $20 coins. I started making a US type set in the dansco 7070 and tried to fill all of the cheaper holes first. I think at first, having more coins sparked my intereist in farther collecting.

I also think that new collectors should slowly step into the collecting pool instead of jumping in. a person who is new should start small while they research and learn the hobby. And gradually buy more expensive coins, if your income allows it. No need to rush collecting. This is just opinion though, as everyone may have a different view.
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I agree totally jbuck. Perhaps I was suggesting run before you can walk ;-)
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 Posted 02/22/2012  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess it depends on what coin series you are collecting in the end. A 7070 typeset would actually be a great way to start and you could fill a lot of holes with some good quality cheaper coins. Another thing to look at maybe something like a Franklin half set or Ike dollar set where $200 can go a long way in BU coins. In fact I just bought five different dated BU Franklins for under $100.00 and am quite happy with having a decent start on completing that set rather soon. I also enjoy my GSA Carson city Morgan and my toned MS 63 Morgan's as well. In the end I guess their is no right or wrong answer other than do what makes you happy.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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In the end I guess their is no right or wrong answer other than do what makes you happy.


Good point. Many people may have different opinion, but the only one that matters for your collection, is your own. Buy what makes you happy, whether it be 1 coin or 20.
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 Posted 02/23/2012  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What I do want to ask is this question-as a beginner would you buy 1 $200 dollar coin (MS) or would you buy 10 $20 coins (MS)? Thanks.
As a beginner, I would say 10 $20 coins. You do not have to buy them all at once, buy one now and show us for comments. If you made a mistake, it would be a relatively cheap $20 lesson. A $200 mistake would hurt a little more. I am not saying you will make a mistake, but that you might; most of us have at some point.


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I agree totally jbuck. Perhaps I was suggesting run before you can walk ;-)
Not really. I think you were spot on with the advice on learning to save and not going into debt. I just wanted to expand it and give the "know what you are doing before you invest" advice. Investing is difficult, but it is easy to save; even the lowest interest rate savings account is better than building debt from frivolous spending.
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 Posted 02/23/2012  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stud722 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With everything being said, I can see both sides of the arguement. I agree that in many years to come, a $200 coin may or may not be worth much more. If you are looking to get your kids interested in coin collecting, I would suggest showing them some types of coins and see how they respond. For example, many world coins have exotic animals on them or flowers. There is such a broad spectrum of coins it really is hard to choose one thing to collect. I find that half of the fun of coin collecting is learning/teaching others about the history of the coins and organizing them. My father and I had a blast putting our coins in albums and learning about the coins. If the coin is interesting to you and your kids, than you have to weight that aspect into your equation. Just something to think about. Are you getting into coin collecting hoping to strike it rich down the road or are you getting into coin collecting to bond with your kids and learn some cool things along the way?
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 Posted 02/23/2012  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nwc coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How about five $40 circulated coins? That would allow you to have nice examples of coins from the the 1800s and 1900s, but you woudlnt have to worry about the kids touching them and ruining them (like you would with an uncirculated coin). I would think that having a mixture of say a Seated Liberty quarter, large cent, Walking Liberty half, Two Cent Piece, and a Three Cent Silver or nickel would be very cool in their eyes...

Or you could buy one $100 coin as the "family collection".. Coins that you keep control of and they can see whenever they want, and then $50 for each of them to buy what they want.

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 Posted 02/23/2012  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Carl, how much in fees and shipping do you think you would lose in trying to sell $200 worth of common coins?

Again try to think of a person not used to selling coins. You may have that ability but here we are discussing a new type situation. Most new to attempting to sell anything on ebay or anywhere, would and usually do loose. Regardless of fees for the above, the chances for a new person attempting to sell anything usually does not make out well.
And again with all the modern types of things kids are interested in, a no action type of hobby like coin collecting is just not what the average kid wants to do.
Go to coin shows, coin stores and see how many kids you see there. At least with a large variety of types a kid can get a little interested.

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Thanks again, all geat advice and well received. What I do want to ask is this question-as a beginner would you buy 1 $200 dollar coin (MS) or would you buy 10 $20 coins (MS)? Thanks.

And one more time it should be remembered that the originial discussion is dealing with kids and coins. Of course pending on the age group, I'd rather hand them 200 $1 coins. For so many kids if you hand them a dollar bill and/or a pretty penny, most kids would take the penny. And as they grow up, the bill may look more appealing but usually they want it to go buy candy or ice creae.
I'm sticking with not spending large amounts for kids until you realize if and when they become inteested in coins as a hobby. Way to many people have found coin collections drindle as kids raided it for candy or ice creame.
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 Posted 03/04/2012  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yves to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi !

I find this discussion very interresting to see the different point of view.

My opinion it's that it's sure that if you talk about investissement it's better to buy 1 coin at 200$ that 200 coin at 1$. But do you think that you will have a lot of fun to have only 1 coin in your collection ? I don't think so. Depending of your budget too, if you plan to buy for 200$ of coin each week it's enough to have fun with only 1 coin at 200$ each time.

Personnaly if I have to start a collection for and with children, I think that the first thing is to have they interrest for coin. Like I'm from Canada I will probably buy 1 coin of each domination to show the difference and try to learn something with different denomination. I will probably choose 1 or 2 "mid range" price coin, something aroud 50-60$ to not have only " hole filler"

After that, I will check for wich denomination the kid look like to be the more interrested to probably continue with them.

When I had starting, I had start with more cheaper coin's but I don't want any scrap in my collection, it always have better but I choose to collect very fine and better. I coin with a value of 200$ at very fine, for me have more value that I coin at 200$ for a good/very good condition and are more easy to resell at good price.

If you don't want to pay a lot for recent hole filler, you can make some roll search, you probably can find anything from 1950/60 to date in circulated roll, exept for silver of course.

For my point, at this moment buy hole filler in silver are not interresting because the melt price is too high. Wait the the melt go down and you will find the same coin at lower price.

I think that for start few semi-key and key date coin in fine or very fine condition and some roll searching for 1¢ and 5¢ can be safe and fun for all !

Happy collecting :)
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 Posted 03/04/2012  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are attempting to get your kids involved in this Hobby, $20.00/coin is far too much. Buy them each a Whitman album or anything similar and take them to coin shows, coin stores and browse the Internet. This way it will be fun and challenging for them to fill the holes in the album without intimidating them with expensive coins.
they have to first learn the "Golden Rule" of this Hobby before entering it, that is "to have FUN and LEARN as much as possible."
They have their entire lives to build a high quality Collection, but the trick to entering this Hobby for children and teens is to make it fun or they will lose interest quickly.
I remember entering the Hobby at age 13 with absolutely no guidance and no knowledge of what I was doing. I foolishly bought coins ($10.00-$20.00/coin) not knowing how to handle them, store them or care for them. And this was back in the 1970's, Pre-Internet Era with no coin stores in my city and no friends/family who collected, therefore leaving me to learn by trial and error; and did I ever make error's.

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