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Seated Liberty Halfs--What Can You Tell Me

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 Posted 03/07/2012  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A good choice since you would like higher grade and since you can't afford to collect the whole set would be an XF-AU or better date set with any mintmark for each date. This is a doable set, will be very impressive, and will still be a challenge to complete.
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 Posted 03/07/2012  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amputating to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's probably a good idea, It is going to be extremely hard to complete since I dont want to buy any cleaned coins, but I fear I may have to. And wowwww the mintages are low after 1878.

How can you tell if a coin has been cleaned long ago? will it still demonstrate the hairline scratches from polishing and things? and how can I tell if it has been cleaned and then toned over?
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 Posted 03/07/2012  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding that 1857-S from fairtraderz: that is quite a scarce date and their asking price for a no-problem AU example would be an excellent deal for the buyer IMO. I doubt that coin is without problems, however. Miss Liberty's eye, hair, and ear look odd and there is a hit on her nose that bothers me. I wonder whether this area was damaged and re-tooled to hide the problem. The obverse color also seems abnormal. The reverse is more pleasing and the mintmark seems to be the right style.

This seller generally offers good stuff and this coin looks genuine. However, if a buyer expects it to slab as a problem-free AU at PCGS or NGC I think they will be disappointed.
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 Posted 03/07/2012  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amputating to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, it seems nearly impossible to find a XF+ Seated that doesn't have some sort of unnatural glowing luster to it. I'm going to a coin show this weekend, so maybe I'll have a find or two.

I assume you are calling this a scarce date because of the low mintage? And is it nearly impossible to find 1879-1891 halves? The mintage of only 5,000 to 12,000 seems soo loww

Jaobler, I saw many of your coins on the day for every seated liberty thread, you have some awesome halves and dimes. Do you have any tips for when I go out searching, or are there some key dates that I might not know about?
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 Posted 03/09/2012  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seateddime48174 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if you do a date set from 1839 to 1878 you wont have to contend with the fairly expensive later dates. you will stay plenty busy even doing a "one a year" set. 1850-1852 P mints are really tough, the early CC mints are really hot and you will most likely pay far above any published price guide in order to own them. the 78-s is the set stopper, and the numismedia value of $20k seems like a lot of money... that is until you try to find one priced at "book value" good luck ! heritage sold an AG 78-s last oct for ... are you sitting down? ... $28k the 1879-1891 dates are low mintage but were obviously saved in quantity, as they arent all that difficult to find, just pricey compared to the more common dates. any seated specialist will have those dates available if you are determined to buy them. again, my advice is do a one a year set to 1878, and from there decide if you want to dive in deeper. a person can tie up alot of resources (and time) building even a low end set
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 Posted 03/09/2012  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amputating to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your reply, Seated.

I think I will go ahead and do exactly what you said and do just a XF+ date set, and I'll worry about the 1789+ at a later date (pun intended)


why were the 1879-1890 dates saved so much? I'm assuming it was the introduction of the Morgan dollar?
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03/09/2012 8:58 pm
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 Posted 03/10/2012  04:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seateddime48174 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
by the late 1870's numismatics was still a hobby enjoyed by relatively few people, but the hobby was growing and the coin dealers of the time were aware of the low mintages of these coins and many were saved, this is evident by the fact that the lower grades (such as G-VG) are actually quite a bit scarcer than the AU and MS pieces. the exact opposite is true for the 1878-s, where few still exist and the majority of those are lower grade. coin collecting was much more popular in the eastern states, and so the branch mint coins werent saved in nearly the numbers that the P mints were.
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 Posted 03/10/2012  07:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A good decision on the date set, we are looking forward to seeing your progress.
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if you decide to do a raw set, id go with a dansco, replace the pages with half dollar blanks, then use a clear label printer for the dates, better to use removable labels though, this gives you the freedom to change your collection as it grows, much easier to peel off a label than to black out one date and write another... and it looks MUCH nicer.
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Went to the coin show today, I picked up a 1860-O liberty half, and another slabbed 2.5$ indian for my collection : )

Here are the images of my newest seated liberty, sorry my photography sucks, but I managed to get good detail by making 2 shots of the obv and 2 shots of the rev. I am hoping that this is a problem free coin, as there are no obvious marks of cleaning that I can see.. I went through coin after coin at the show seeing unnatural luster and hairline scratches, and this had neither so I thought it might be a safe bet.

https://goccf.com/t/113536
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amp, a little background on the CC coins... most Seated coins started out as silver refined to 99.99% alloyed with 10% pure copper for durability. the early (1870-1874) CC coins were minted from raw silver ore, straight from the ground (this has been proven by metallurgical testing) natural silver ore is not pure. it contains many elements that do not hold up well to the environment, and thus many of the CC coins we find today are corroded, porous, or just plain ugly. also, the early CC coins were minted in small numbers and used heavily, these factors contributed to a very low survival rate. it wasnt that the CC mint sucked at striking coins, it was the deck being stacked against the coins from the beginning. I've always hypothesized that the few decent looking CC coins that exist today, probably spent most of their circulation life back in the eastern states.
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