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ikandiggit, I am anxious to see the pictures of your coins " that have far more dramatic clashing " !
Yes, I can say that my father is stronger than your father, but......
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--La loutre---I agree that -Ortiable- from what I see used your picture without giving you credit and would seem to have tried to pass it of as his!  ---But that's all I agree in this case. ---This is not a rare coin, nor is it a error or a variety.--Za75---I don't have to defend Ikandiggit but he did not disparage your interest in coins, but simply stated that it was not his interest. So your tone did not impress me towords him and me aswell, as I remember back in Feb 2011 you chose to be combative simply because of a difference of opinion. ---If you paid attention to history Ikandiggit, is in fact an abbid collector of errors and varieties so as I am and so has some wisdom, along with many others! ---This dime is IMO is nothing more than a defect that was caused by a mechanical problem in the process and agree that it does not belong on this topic. ---I would not give you more than face value and use it for pocket change, as I have used many. --La Loutre---you say you know someone that turned down supposedly $1500, sounds like an attempt to make value that is not there for the not so knowledged, further if so, should have taken that offer in a heart beat! ---The two of you sound like a tag team to inflate a coins value and IMO make it an unpleasant conversation. --- If you think its worth that, great! If that's what you like to collect great, as some others do to! --- Whatever turns you on! But, don't think that everybody will think the same just because you think that and question or criticise ones ranking or opinion on this site. As a "Valued Member" *whatever* It don't impress me and I'm sure others will have shied away because of it and think the same. ---It's not healthy debate!I digress!
---This is my opinion and I'm not going to get into a back and forth dispute with either of you.
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I think this escalated this way because of a difference in perception. Some guy saying he found said coin (with no proof), someone who said "it's worth peanuts", someone who disagreed. You might view it as people trying to inflate the value of a coin, but have you considered what it looked like to them?
Sometimes, people say your discovery is worthless, and you get offered pennies for it, and because you think it's worth nothing, you might accept. The point Laloutre and Za were trying to get across is, to some people it's worth something, so if you have such a coin, don't throw it away. Knowing Laloutre, this most certainly wasn't a stunt to try to inflate the value of his coin. He has one and I don't think he'll sell it.
I personnally love clashes, so in my eyes it's worth something as well (not 1500$ though).
It's fine if you think it's worth nothing, but just the same way it's not worth 1500$ until it is sold for that, it's isn't worth nothing either just because you think so. There's an interest for it, so it's got some value for sure.
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I REALLY regret I mentioned the offer...  ikandiggit, personnaly the only thing that upsets me is that someone used my pictures to supposingly present HIS coin. The rest is debate, not my favorite kind the way it turned out, but well, we don't have the same perspective and that's fine with me. As long as it doesn't get personal, I've no problem debating. And by the way, the clash you showed is a very great one, thanks for sharing it!  commoncents13, as usual, I only shared the informations I had related to this coin. I'm not selling anything but the idea that for any die clash hunters, this specific coin will keep you entertained for a while. And I don't appreciate being pointed out as part of a "tag team" trying to fool the "not so knowledged" collector. I actually fight against these behaviours by sharing informations as much as I can. TO ALL THOSE who say this worth nothing but face value, may you find one 10¢ 2001P volunteers with clashes on both sides (even 1 side), please contact me and I'll buy it from you for more than FV and a big smile.  And that offer is dead serious, no sarcasm. |
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I have nothing against someone collecting anything they are interested in. All I have said was that, in my opinion a minor die clash is just that, a minor die clash and (again, in my opinion) wouldn't have high value. If it actually trades for $1,500 at some point, I will be proven wrong which is fine by me. I have no animosity against anyone here.  And..... just to show I wasn't blowing smoke about my "rare" banknote, here it is:  Edited by ikandiggit
04/04/2012 09:36 am
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Yes ikandiggit, "... a minor die clash is just a minor die clash... ", I agree with this very well and, in our frenchs terms, on Numicanada, we name this a " brindille ". On the other hand, the coin of La loutre is a " Branche " : 1- Die clash on obverse and reverse. 2- Very great number of marks of clash : too numerous to count them. 3- More, these clash are very impressives. Yes. we can like die clash or not, because this is a personal choice, but I think that is important to consider the publications on this subject : - Hans Zoell, third edition ( 1965 part two ), on page 8 and 9. - Henry Nienhuis, March 2012 Volume 57 Number 2, " The Canadian Numismatic Journal ", page 78 and 79. - John Regitko, many articles, in the "Canadian Coin News ". Finally, I join you the following reference : in the list of " other images of die clash ", see picture of 25 cents 1870. http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...-clash&id=10 |
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With the link above, see # 10, and clic on " More examples of Die clash ".
You can also see, in this list : " 10 cents 2001 - Volunteers- Die clash on both sides ( coin of La loutre ).
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I appreciate the links. I actually have used the coinsandcanada site a few times and am a member though I haven't participated much in the last year. I have the site in my bookmarks and do use it for reference.
I also have the Hans Zoell booklets in my collection.
Though they are listed, so are die cracks and I enjoy finding examples of them. But, as I said, it should be the marketplace that dictates the value not a arbitrary number that is just tossed out there.
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ikandiggit, I think that it was normal to be surprised with your comment of 28/03/2012 : " OH,yes.... excellent die clash. Probably no premium for it though. " Maybe, no premium for you, but not necessarily for all collectors. ----- You say about your 1 cent 1907 : " This one was $1 for a bargain bin ". I am happy for you because this is also an excellent " Die clash " ! This opportunity exist now because, even if we are in 2012, some sellers have no interest, ( not enought profit ) with these coins; more, some sellers have no knowledge about the errors : maybe it will be different in 2015 ! If you offer this coin on ebay, I am convinced that you will obtain a great premium. |
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za, you've taken this far too personally. When I stated "no additonal premium", it's because I've rarely seen clashes that have sold at . There may be a lot on the auctions but when you watch them run to the end with no bids, it shows me that the desire to pay extra is not there. The "buy it now" price is just an asking price. If it doesn't sell, I would say that that the price was either too high or the demand isn't there.
I have the "guitar" cent in raw but it would probably grade MS65 or MS66. I've been told that I should be able to get at least $125 or more for it. Yet they can't even get $20 on the auction sites. So is the value $125 or $20 or less? It's what the collector will pay. And if it doesn't sell for $20 that tells me that it's worth less than that to a collector.
Bidding wars between two bidders can drive a price to unrealistic heights and give a false value to an item. I've sold a pack of playing cards that went for over $200. The second identical pack sold for $2.00 and subsequent packs didn't receive any bids. The value of these cards was not $200.00 just because one sold for that amount, the actual value was less than $2.00.
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ikandiggit, I think that we find interesting errors ( like this 10 cents 2001P " volunteers " ),in all types of error : as example, when a " Die crack " start on the rim and go near the center of the coin ( 50 % of diameter ), I think that such a coin is interesting !
In my point of view, the search of errors is very incentive for YOUNG COLLECTORS and for ALL collectors that state a drop of their interest for a " normal " collection of coins.
When I read some articles of Ken Potter, about errors coins, I see that more and more peoples think the same thing on this.
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--Ikandiggit-- Sad, but its pointless! Unless you think so!  |
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--Ikandiggit-- Sad, but its pointless!
Unless you think so!
Agree to disagree . I've said my piece, now onto new threads. Edited by ikandiggit
04/06/2012 07:44 am
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