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New Coins - Announced Today - 04/01/2012

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 Posted 04/06/2012  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1 kg pieces are certainly enticing -- quite the conversation piece!

I've considered them in the past but have stopped short when considering their bullion value vs. selling price. For the current piece (if I'm doing the math correctly) the selling price is more than double the current silver bullion value.

I know that collector coins shouldn't necessarily be considered in terms of their bullion value, but when the difference is in the range of $1,100 it causes me to consider it.

These pieces will likely always carry a collector premium over bullion, but I've looked at some of the RCM's other KG silver coins and while they are selling above original selling prices, it appears the increase has been largely due to silver's rise in value. (WARNING: Math ahead!)

For example, in September 2007 the RCM was selling the "Early Canada" one kilogram coin for $1,299.95. Silver was about $12.10 an ounce at that time, so the bullion value of the coin was about $389. The difference between the selling price and the bullion price was about $910 or a premium of roughly 234%.

Today, I can buy the coin for about $1,900. That's about $600 more than when it was originally sold by the RCM, so a nice profit for original purchasers. The change in the coin's bullion value between September 2007 and today, however, is approximately $630. So, while the coin increased in value, it seems fairly clear that the increase was likely due to the increase in the price of silver. At $1,900, the coin is selling for about $880 more than its bullion value -- a premium of 79%. Compare that to the original premium of 234% and you can see that the difference between the current selling price of the coin and its bullion value is trending down. How close will they come, I wish I could tell you!

If five years from now the 2012 1 kilo coin sells for a premium of 80% over bullion, the coin would sell for $1,835 if silver is still at today's price of $31.71 per ounce -- this would be a loss of $415 from its current selling price. If silver is $50 per ounce five years from now, the coin would sell for $2,895 (assuming the 80% premium) -- a profit of $645 vs. the present-day purchase. Who knows which way it will go?

One last calculation, if I purchased 1 kg of silver at $12.10 an ounce in 2007, it would likely have cost me somewhere in the neighborhood of $430-$440 (with dealer markup). Today, the silver would be worth about $1,020, giving me a gross profit of about $580.00.

So, bottom line, whether I bought a 1 kilo coin or invested in one ounce bullion coins equal to 1 kg, I'd be holding something today that is worth about $600 more. Which allows me to conclude that future profits on these one kilo coins are likely tied more to silver's bullion value vs. the coin's numismatic value. Of course, I could be wrong!

Use all of this mess at your own discretion -- I can't predict the future!

Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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 Posted 04/09/2012  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For those that are interested, the new coins are now on full release at mint.ca
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 Posted 04/09/2012  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KJL82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beat me to it CC, just placed my order. Hope everyone gets what they are lookign for with this latest batch.
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 Posted 04/09/2012  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ztt2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just ordered my dino. I usually buy silver from the mint so I'm not used to paying taxes. That kinda hurt.
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 Posted 04/09/2012  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amaths to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Had no trouble browsing the web, but I cannot simply log into my account. :(

Never mind. Logged in and ordered. For a moment I thought everybody was placing orders that jammed the web. Now let's see how soon the Dino will be gone.
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 Posted 04/09/2012  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Toronto1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DON'T BUY BUMBLE BEE FROM "speculators"
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 Posted 04/09/2012  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just bought the dyno,25ยข bumblebee and the maple leaf forever. I prefer last year maple leaf but hey it's still ok
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 Posted 04/16/2012  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amaths to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
April 16! Looks like only the dino has been delayed.
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 Posted 04/16/2012  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My order (placed April 2) was last processed yesterday. Hopefully that means some of them will ship today.

BTW, the Dino is now on "awaiting stock" and can't be ordered on line. That could mean it is sold out or close to it.
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 Posted 04/16/2012  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollect1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone getting the subscription set?
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 Posted 04/16/2012  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hobbes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Group of Seven? There was a thread about it:
https://goccf.com/t/116194.

Apparently it is sold out at the mint now.
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 Posted 04/16/2012  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrpiedfort to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just noticed that a number of coins are now on "awaiting stock" status which most of the time means sold out.
I was thinking of getting the group of seven subscription, but it looks like I was late.
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 Posted 04/16/2012  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just received shipping notice. Crystal Sugar Maple on the way.

But from the same order, the glass bees, quarter bee, grosbeak and dinos were not shipped.

Guess there will be some other shipping delays besides just the glowie.
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 Posted 04/16/2012  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elkslayer132 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a suprise shipping delay!They are releasing way too many coins these days.
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 Posted 04/16/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elkslayer132 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mint website down maybe they will update the status of dino coin and others.
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