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Valued Member
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@cladking I'm curious as well, I love clad coins too.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:Relics of a past age, and even still I can't believe those prices without an ebay source. I want to see what people will actually pay for them, not what rustypenny says they're worth. They are remarkable prices and many are even higher than Krause which has 1500 fold price increases on some issues. Rustypenny isn't selling any of the really high priced ones and these are mostly mid-level they have available. My understanding is that ebay prices exceed Krause often as well. A few prices in Krauswe must be misprints since they kist the 1969 5 Kopeck at $895 and this source at only $30. It's still not bad for a coin that listed at pennies a few years ago. This is a world wide phenomenon though. It's not that moderns are getting all the attention; far from it. It's just that moderns never got any attention before and even a little demand is enough to cause the prices of rare coins to soar. This is what I've been telling peoiple for decades. The only reason all the moderns are cheap is that there's no demand. As demand wakes up some prices will soar. It won't be 1979-D cents but it might be almost anything else. Of course collectors would be amazed to find out how tough a nice gemmy '79-D cent is. You can find lots of mint sets and rolls and stacks of bags but almost every coin will look like it kicked around the floor of the mint a while.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Valued Member
Canada
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Well @cladking, thanks for shaking my ignorance without resorting to petty insults like so many anonymous users on the internet, and instead responding with class.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:@cladking: You seem to have as good an understanding of moderns as anybody on the forum. What would be your Top 10 unappreciated rarities in clad-era US coinage? Yowzers! That's an extremely tough question since there are different kinds of "unappreciated" and coins of each type of unappreciated vary a lot. It simply depends on what coins collectors in the future want to have. They might concentrate on types, varieties, keys, or almost anything. I believe one thing is certain and there will be demand for every date and mintmark though this demand might not be equal. I also think collectors are going to demand nice choice problem free BU coins. This means well- struck by decent dies or MS-63/4. Some willwant higher grades but there will be a lot of attention on nice specimens simply because so many of the coins are just awful. If this is true the most underappreciated modern would probably be the '82-P quarter. You can pick these up for $10 pretty easily but finding one with a nice strike by goosd dies is tough. I also like the '69 quarter quite a lot. Nice gemmy nickels are hard to find. The toughies are the '82 and '83 but really nice coins of most dates are scarce. Ikes are elusive in nice near gem. Something like an MS-64+ '76 type I will be found in only about every 25th mint set and rolls are hard to find and poor quality. It might sound funny but choice gen bicentennial quarters are underrated. These are common enough in gem but as you go up the scale their availability plummets and this goes double for "Full Drum" specimens. I like varieties as a group. The mint set coins are common enough to be widely collected and the circulation strikes are mostly all scarce to rare. I believe the demand will occur across a broad spectrum of the moderns so almost anything might be consiodered "underappreciated". Common coins will probably always be common but this has never really applied to coins less than a few years old. The '69 quarter was common in 1972 but it isn't today, at least in nice condition. Indeed, it's not even common in XF. This doesn't mean one should seek out XF's and save them necessarily since with less effort and little more money one can still locate a gem. But the XF's will have their day as well. This isn't to say there are no bargains in the proofs, bullion, and commems but I'm less familiar with these and their fate is far more difficult to predict since collectors, at least historically, have primarily focused on circulation issues. This could change since we all like silver and gold as well as very high quality and shiny coins but it probably won't. Many collectors of coins made in their lifetimes just long for coins of the past and these are the ones in circulation. More than two generations have used nothing but clad in their entire lifetimes now and each year that goes by increases their aggregate nostalgia for the "good old days". While some demand will manifest in the various other coins most will likely be in circulation issues.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: A 1965 dime?
It's not a bad pick since there's often a lot of extra demand for first year of issue. There are some scarcities in varieties for this date. A 1966 dime is a better bet for being underappreciated in more obtainable conditions or types. Most of these are poorly made and fewer were saved. Nice choice MS-63 dimes that don't appear to be from mint sets will be sought and won't be too common. There's a lot of guesswork in predicting the future and it has a knack for unfolding in ways to make everyone wrong. I've been mostly wrong about US moderns for decades and there's no certainty I'll ever be right. But these coins are fun to collect and have been used by people a very long time. They just don't realize that many were scarce from day one and many more are becoming scarcer with each passing year. They don't make Liberty nickels any longer but they don't make 1965 dimes either.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It would never expect that a 1969 quarter would be tough. I see 60s quarters in change all the time, but do I ever see a nice '69? Well, I guess probably not. Quarters circulate like crazy, and any more than a couple years old are always beat... I don't collect them, so I have no idea what's hard to find. I see plenty of '65 and '66 dimes, but obviously they're all low grade and poorly struck. I think most serious coin collectors have some feel for the key dates, and maybe even the semi-key dates in any of the popular series, even if it's not a series they collect. But you have to have some dedication to a series to pick out the sleeper dates, and the condition rarities and strike rarities and underrated varieties. Certain modern series are so unpopular, that all the coins that will eventually be keys are currently just sleepers. Who's passionate about clad FDR dimes? I think you make a good point about the distinction between mint "uncirculated" sets and actually circulation issues. Uncirculated sets have really become a kind of quasi-proof. If you look at the coins from a recent mint set and actual uncirculated coins, they look completely different. And certainly the doubled dies and other varieties are going to be different, and the ones from circulation are going to be scarce or unavailable in the gem+ grades. I marveled that a 2010-D cent in MS66RD sold for over $400 on ebay. I was dumbstruck; I've bought a number of MS66FB and even MS67FB Mercury dimes for a lot lot less! I had just seen an MS67RD 1995 doubled die sell for $75, and even MS68RD examples of that variety don't approach $400! But the mint sets in 2010 were satin finish, and this was a non-satin-finish coin. And every uncirculated shield cent I've seen, even from original rolls, has been spotty from whatever rinse they're using these days. Indeed, the PCGS population is 36 in MS66RD, zero finer. Are 2005-2010 non-satin-finish coins (the most common of pocket change) going to be desired rarities in gem condition years down the road? Is this already happening?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Anything current that is collected will never be worth anything long term. I don't think that this statement is completely accurate. For example: I you complete a collection of Statehood Quarters in Silver. Those coins will be worth more than face value. American Silver Eagles will see their value rise and fall with the price of silver. The same will hold true for the American Gold or Platinum eagles. Within each coin various coins will be worth more than others. Take for example the various key dates, oddities, and mint errors. A 1972 Lincoln Penny in DDO will be worth more that a run of the mill '72 Lincoln Penny. By putting together a set of mint errors, key and semi-key date collection a person could have a substantial and respectable collection of modern day coins. Of course the set would need to be put together with a good eye. The modern penchant for first strike coins I don't believe will become more valuable over time but low mintage coins of good or top notch quality will always rise in value. With selective choosing a valuable collection can be amassed. If you buy early and select either MS or PL 79 coins are one way to amass a substantial portfolio. But a MS 64 or 63 coin will take longer to increase in value.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote:I marveled that a 2010-D cent in MS66RD sold for over $400 on ebay. I was dumbstruck; So was the buyer. Quote: Indeed, the PCGS population is 36 in MS66RD, zero finer. Which means the day a 67 is found, it becomes the $800 finest known, and they all drop to $300. Ppl playing the "goodest gnome" game are cruisin' for a bruisin'.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Quote: If you buy early and select either MS or PL 79 coins, you're just too dam picky.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Back in the late 1880's early 1900's I doubt there were a lot of coin collectors mostly due to the coin values being worth more. Not true. I remember collecting back then and lots of us did.  And I predict that some day a 1964 Jefferson nickel will be worth a real lot of money as first in the Billions minted coins.  All clad coins will also be a novelty since they will all have long ago vanished from normal wear. No not in the distant future but in a very short time. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Uncirculated sets have really become a kind of quasi-proof. The typical quality of the mint sets has been going up for a while now though they still backslide once in a while like the 2011. What many don't realize is that the finest quality usually has gone into the mint sets since 1964. You can get good quality in rolls for most clads but in the mint sets finding quality is like shooting fish in a barrel. 2% of most mint set coins are nice gems though they can be as common as about 8% and as scarce as .1%. Most also appear as Proof Likes once in a while but clean PL's tend to be rare to non-existent. There are a lot of clads that are very difficult to find in rolls anyway. Most of the quarters are seldom seen and some dates are scarce.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Valued Member
United States
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cladking, I tried to send you a PM yesterday, but it came back undeliverable. I am looking for some "modern" advice and you seem extremely knowledgeable. If you are interested in doing some teaching please send me a PM. Thanks.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: cladking, I tried to send you a PM yesterday, but it came back undeliverable. I am looking for some "modern" advice and you seem extremely knowledgeable. If you are interested in doing some teaching please send me a PM. Thanks.
I'd be happy to provide an opinion. It's an old eMail address and I don't see how to change it in the profile. I tried to send you an eMail if it's sbc return then it should go through.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Quote: It's an old eMail address and I don't see how to change it in the profile. Click on 'My CCF' at the top of the page, then click on 'Manage your Profile' under 'Welcome to Your CCF Control Panel'. Once you are on the profile page, just type in a new e-mail address in the 'E-mail Address' box under the 'Contact Info' section (top).
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