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2012 American Eagle San Francisco Two-Coin Silver Proof Set

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 Posted 06/23/2012  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ghostrider to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Claire your idea of spreading your purchases out over the whole period will give you a chance of seeing if there is any differences between the start and end of the production run. I am thinking of doing the same. However, I don't have as large of family to purchase gifts for.

Yet you idea of adding silver to your purchase is very intriguing. To tell you the truth I wasn't thinking along those lines yet I will also do just that.

Does anyone else here think that there will be differences in the sets from the start to end of the run? That proposal has been pushed on other forums. We haven't heard of any variants popping up with the 25th anniversary sets and this set is at best less than twice its size.

How many die changes do you think will be necessary to make 200,000 sets? Because after all the only way that variants will be created is through die changes. I don't see Grease Filled Dies being an issue given the inspection steps that should be taken by the mint.
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 Posted 06/23/2012  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clairhardesty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My best guess at die usage is ~1000 proof coins per die pair and ~500 RP coins per die pair. This is just a guess, as far as I know the mint has not released that sort of information. It would be available through an FOIA request so maybe we can go that route. I do know that the 2009 UHRDE went through one die pair for about every 300 coins. That would mean ~200 proof die sets and ~400 RP die sets to make 200,000 coin sets.
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 Posted 06/23/2012  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clairhardesty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just placed my order for another set (3rd one, along with 1 2012 proof and 2 2011 unc ASE) and the "Expected to ship on" date is 9/28/2012. My original order still has 7/27/2012 for that date. This may well mean that sets ordered have surpassed the original production run of coins. It might also mean that sets ordered now will not be eligible for FS/ER labels.
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Holy heck. I was debating getting a raw set to go along with my graded I will get but with an october ship date I think I will pass.

For almost 3 months later they could widdle it with a pocket knife and it better be a 70 for that long of a wait
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 Posted 06/24/2012  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I just placed my order for another set (3rd one, along with 1 2012 proof and 2 2011 unc ASE) and the "Expected to ship on" date is 9/28/2012.


Very interesting.....for those FS/ER buffs that may decrease the last day order numbers

I can hear the whining starting.....
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The late September shipping date is sure a surprise. I realize that the mint won't restart their production floor for just a few coins. I think that they pushed back their announced delivery date to ensure that all orders are delivered.

Besides the complaining about the late September delivery date, could you imagine the howls of those who wait and order on the last day only to be told that the mint cannot honor their order. I think that the only thing that could be worse is if the mint decided to extend the date of sale beyond the 4th. If that should happen there goes their credibility.

At the very least we now know that first strike and early release is out the window now.
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 Posted 06/24/2012  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The cable TV guys will have all the FS/ER coins you want.
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Question: I just went onto the mint site to figure out if both of the coins in this set carry the San Francisco mint mark. I couldn't tell from the site if this is so.

Also, I thought that original drop dead date was July 4th but the site is saying July 5th. Did the mint sneak in another day for the sale of these coins?

{edit} 7/5 was the original drop dead date. Sorry
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The end date has always been July 5th, nothing has changed. Both coins will carry the S mint mark. All circulation, proof and uncirculated coins, except Philadelphia cents, carry mint marks. Bullion coins are struck without mint marks. Interestingly, even the 9/11 medals have mint marks, something not routinely done for medals from the US mint. There is no way the end date will be extended. For a set that has had daily orders of a couple thousand sets, no amount of whining will cause the mint to act. The mint will honor all orders placed up until the deadline (5PM ET on July 05). The change in shipping dates is almost certainly the result of orders being taken for the coins already minted. I think it was always the plan to do the final strikes after sales conclude. The mint will likely start press runs when orders warrant doing so, just to even out the shipping. What number that is that triggers another press start (or how many coins are struck in a single run) is not known. The two month slip in shipping dates (keeping in mind that these dates are not typically fact based) is a hint that the initial production runs ended about two months ago, about one month before sales began.
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 Posted 06/24/2012  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ghost I believe they do both have the S mint mark, or that was the plan at first anyway
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Ghost I believe they do both have the S mint mark, or that was the plan at first anyway.


I was kicking around some ideas and started to wonder if the mint does a stand alone sale of the 2012 eagle (not the reverse proof) with the "s" mintmark? What effect would that have the collecting crowd? You know similiar to what they are doin with the ATB with the circulating "s" mintmark quarters.

I do believe that there would be a lot of screaming.

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I was kicking around some ideas and started to wonder if the mint does a stand alone sale of the 2012 eagle (not the reverse proof) with the "s" mintmark? What effect would that have the collecting crowd?


Well...up to last week the "upcoming products" list on the Mint website said on August 2nd they would be releasing
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08/02/2012 2012 American Eagle One Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins


Now it has been changed to a singular "coin" instead of "coins". It WAS assumed that it would be an S and W ASE...now who knows....

I should add even if the S is issued it would be a burnished coin not a proof.
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