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Ebay Is Such A Wasteland Of Counterfeit Junk!

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 Posted 08/19/2012  02:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stick to slabbed coins seriously
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 Posted 08/19/2012  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is presented in a misleading manner--the subject title says "Error Specimen." In what way does that imply that the item is not genuine? In fact, that statement suggests to me that it's supposed to be taken as genuine and an error coin, which is even worse than just selling a fake as real, IMHO.

Also--and this is a personal quibble, but it's one I take seriously because I used to do the HTML for my mother's ebay ads and so studied a little bit of graphic design--that background. I'm going to start with a disclaimer here because, as a mod noted, these are serious accusations, so first off, I don't know that the seller is doing this deliberately--it could just be a poor choice in design. However, that background screams to me of "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN." It makes it very difficult--nigh on impossible--to read the actual ad without copy/pasting the text elsewhere or highlighting it (which any graphic design student will tell you provides its own issues with comprehension and memory--hence why we use black text on white as our default, instead of white text on black).

The composition of an ad is the first thing I check, after feedback, when buying other items on ebay (for me, that usually means CDs, electronics, or anime, and you'd be surprised at how well the ad foretells the product). If it looks unprofessional or like the seller didn't actually pay attention to making sure the ad was reasonably attractive--and this is not a thing you have to have a graphic design degree to do, either, because everyone should know about basic grammar and paragraph breaks--I don't buy. This ad is one of those I'd run screaming from even if I knew nothing about coins (which, I know nothing about goloid coins, so close enough). The background is just a huge red flag to me.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alright now I'm just confused.

Why are we saying this is fake or a copy? Is it because of what the coin is? I've never heard of these before but a quick search and it seems these have been discussed on several coin boards and are some sort of real coin. Maybe not a specific US currency I dunno, I dont know much about these but it does seem their are real ones of these and I have no idea if this ones a copy or replica of one of those.

I dunno what to call it but the coin itself (unless theres some tell tale sign) doesn't appear to be a fake anything. TPGs will slab these and major auction sites have sold them and it would appear hes saying the metal composition in this one is wrong.

I do agree the background and text size makes it very hard to read but I'm now wondering why this is being called a fake.
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08/19/2012 03:14 am
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 Posted 08/19/2012  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The following link has pictures of an authentic 1878 Goloid Metric Dollar Pattern that sold on Heritage in 2006.

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...8&lotNo=2400
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08/19/2012 03:30 am
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 Posted 08/19/2012  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the OP coin does not look genuine compared to the Heritage example imho and reminds me of fantasy pieces.Of course if this is some off struck metal, it may give the coin a different appearance. The seller is obviously very knowlegable about the metal compositions, but we need a firmer answer as to what he is selling.....as it isn't clear if he is selling this as a "fake" or not. Also the fact that the bidding is already over $100 indicates that some people are bidding as if genuine, as fakes of these I'd think would fit in the same price range as "fantasy pieces". He says he "feels it is a 19th century product" which kind of aludes to me that he is selling this as real.....but I may be way off base.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't look like a struck coin to me. It looks like a casting although I'm not sure if that list of composition materials is something that could be cast. The discovery date for Germanium is 1886 so this coin has to be made sometime after that unless it was just an impurity at the time. Probably the case with all trace amount elements.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks a purplexing listing to me. I agree that the small print is an effort to read looking at that background and that the description could be misconstrued easily.

The seller clearly knows a thing or two but I would stay clear of any listing that looks like this...the seller has 100% positive feedback so I can't think that he is deliberately trying to scam anyone but I always say "if in doubt leave it out"
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 Posted 08/19/2012  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GRR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO, replicas of anything are not good. They serve only to confuse. This goes for anything, coins included.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Appears the seller killed the bids and ended it.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have several of these. They are struck (not cast) ferric-nickel counterfeits and are quite common; however, the transfer seems to have been made from a casting.

"1878 Goloid Off-Metal Error Specimen Iron/Nickel Alloy Reeded Edge Rare" is seriously mistaken.

I'll post one of my copies to The Black Cabinet tonight for the sake of comparison.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lizzrd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know how involved coin 'fakes' are but does someone like myself that likes, say Liberty walking silver have much to worry about ?
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 Posted 08/19/2012  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I don't know how involved coin 'fakes' are but does someone like myself that likes, say Liberty walking silver have much to worry about ?




Unfortunately theyre fakes for every type of coin. Usually you can weed out a lot of them by sticking with reputable dealers. Also if things dont look right stay away. For real valuable ones you can stick with slabbed even to break them out if you like them raw. Theres just not really a simple answer where you could say well theres this many fakes of these kind.

They are out there unfortunately
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 Posted 08/19/2012  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lizzrd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just realized I made a post thanks...
been lurking and joined another site also.
Also been upgrading my Franklin and Walker albums, but hope to recoup some $ with my good/very fine coins. So, the thought of getting a 'bad' half for a $35-45 would not seem very feasible... But, then again Power-Pro fishing line was pirated also, a check of some printing on the box was a clue.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking now for the CCF owner to chime in and discuss this listing.

Some folks appear to have definite opinions on the listing ... wondering what the owner ... and valued CCF contributor ... has to say.

David
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 Posted 08/19/2012  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt though.
While I too could read his ebay listing as misleading, I do not think that was his intent.
He sells to a very narrow group of collectors, those that collect and study contemporary counterfeits.
Ebays policy of NO sales of "fakes" inhibits his ability to list them as he would like.
Of course this is all conjecture.
It will be nice to here his side.
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08/19/2012 8:24 pm
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