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Wow. What is the population for that? I think there are 6 known, one is graded higher than mine, one shares my grade and the rest lower. After a long hiatus, two have sold fairly recently, although I am convinced it is the same coin, sold by the same auctioneer.... (a whole other can of worms I'd rather leave alone)... http://www.icollector.com/DOLLAR-19...fi_i12928920http://www.icollector.com/1-00-1969...el_i11304842There are two similar silver coins from 1970 and a unique silver strike for 1971, on somewhat larger planchets. If your pockets are deep enough, Sandy Campbell has the entire set for sale here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-1970-1...350506268347These are definitely back-door jobs. There was also two 1970 dollars struck on $20 gold planchets, one was seized and destroyed by the RCMP, the other resides in a collection outside of the country. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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08/23/2012 09:47 am
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spp ,do you recall the reason for the rcmp to take the gold coin and destroy it, when the 1967 double, triple, diving goose dollars are allowed to be sold freely. I just started to collect errors, and is confused with the mints logic regarding these type of coins.
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ps, these are cool dollars!
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1970, Manitoba Centennial, business strike. A grade rarity. Almost ALL of the 1970 business strikes were weakly struck. That is detrimental to eye-appeal, and ultimately, PCGS grade. This example is ICCS MS-65, PCGS MS-64. I sent in four 1970 ICCS MS-65 coins to PCGS, and all came back MS-64.  In my opinion, this one is my best.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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08/23/2012 11:56 am
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The 1970 dollar with the GAN counterstamp. Approximately 1000 coins were counterstamped by Vancouver's Arab community, with the assassination of the president of Egypt (Gamal Abdel Nasser). Tough coin to find in higher grades. This example is ICCS MS-64, now in a CCCS MS-64 hard holder. You can easily elements of the weak strike, that almost all 1970 business strike nickel dollars have.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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08/23/2012 11:58 am
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An example from the 1970 VIP Specimen set (mintage of less than 1000). However, this is no ordinary set, this example belonged to John J. Pittman.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Another example from the 1970 VIP Specimen set. I have the original case that came with this set. The marks on the plastic slab do not do this coin any justice. It is stunning in hand.  Now, with 1971 on deck for tomorrow, bring on the commemorative silver dollars... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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^^^ Is the generally available commemorative cased 1970 dollar not SP?
If it is, are they distinguishable from those in the set?
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Yes and no. Yes, for those cased dollars issued in the black clamshell cases with the Chinese gold lettering on the outside, no for the normal clamshell case (issued in dark red and black). Mine are from the VIP sets. 1970 is my birth year, so I collected everything from that year made by the RCM. You could certify a clamshell coin as SP, but that is like looking at the answers of a crossword puzzle, before you start - what fun would that be? "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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NICE DOLLARS everyone  I can't wait to see some more  |
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You could certify a clamshell coin as SP, but that is like looking at the answers of a crossword puzzle, before you start - what fun would that be?
I guess the question is whether the specimen dollar from the VIP set is worth a premium with no providence, or much of a premium with providence? Clearly, the other denominations are scarce. But, it would be like a 1000 run today of special edition proof sets containing the same silver dollar as a 40000 separate run. The set would be worth a lot, but the dollar itself value would be based on a 41000 mintage. |
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The VIP set, as a whole, certified SP65 or better with a red cent, with the original case of issue, is worth the premium price ($600-$800). Individually, in terms of demand (and therefore value), from highest to lowest is: 5-cent: certified examples can be bought for $75, higher prices with strong cameo 25-cent: certified examples can be bought for $65, higher prices with strong cameo 1-cent: you can buy these for $40-$50 50-cent: $35 to $50 dollar: $25 to $80m depending on grade and cameo strength 10-cent: $20 to $35 (no love for Canadian modern 10-cent pieces...) There are exceptions, of course, for fantastic pieces. So I paid a pretty high premium for this coin: https://goccf.com/t/121847&SearchTerms=1970But generally speaking, unless you have some real gem strikes, the sum of the pieces is much less than the whole set. That is why you usually see the VIP set in auctions, but rarely individual coins from it. The collector demand is simply not there for the 1970 specimen nickel dollar, unless you play a numbers game with mass submissions of clamshell cases hoping to get a SP-69 for the registry set players. Even then, it is simply not in demand enough to be worth much more than the cost of certification. I think I can count the hard core nickel dollar collectors in Canada on one hand... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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08/23/2012 1:12 pm
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On the 1968 dollars, what is the difference between the regular, small and no island variety?
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For 1968, there are generally reckoned to be 5 common flavours, all to do with the waterlines and island lines to the right of the canoe:
Normal island is two horizon lines, then space, then the triangle shaped protrusion of the island beyond the canoe, then four waterlines.
Small island is the triangle shaped protrusion is very small and barely protruding beyond the canoe.
No island has no protrusion above the waterlines.
Doubled horizon line (DHL 1) is both horizon lines are doubled.
Doubled horizon line (DHL 2) is the top horizon line only is doubled.
Illustrations of all on page 206 of the 2012 Charlton.
I'm sure there are many other uncommon varieties.
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