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Pillar of the Community
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I found this in a local dealer's unidentified tray.   It's about the size of an Indian Head cent, and it weighs 3.78g. The tray is priced at £5 each. I have it on approval for a week. the dealer would like to know what it is too. It seems expensive to me. Can you tell me what it is, who struck it, what the enigmatic design means, please ? Oh, and is it worth £5 (about $8) or more ? Identified - moved to Tokens forum - Sap |
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Moderator
 United States
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I think civil war token is right the top image is fuld # 0293still trying to find the lower image |
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United States
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and the lower image looks like fuld # 0216 top row, fourth one Edited by Fuzzy317
09/04/2012 8:17 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great link Fuzzy!...Bookmarked that one...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The flag, plus "One Country" strongly suggests a token from the Union States during the Civil War.
I can make out "No north, no west, no east" and I presume "No south"
at the bottom. This adds to my conclusion that it is a Civil War Token.
Offer four pounds and see what the dealer says.
On approval? NICE DEALER!
If it had more detail I would say buy it at five pounds.
Still, a decent Token is worth $10 US any day.
What saddens me is that I do not see a year. 1863 is quite usual.
Many, MANY were made, so narrowing on a precise identification would be problematic.
But really, think about it: coins were hoarded and merchants came up with a solution...Make tokens!
Perhaps a sympathizer from Britain brought this back from the States.
If you like it, buy it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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But I see Fuzzy has provided you with identification!
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Valued Member
United States
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I would buy them all day at 5 pounds! That is one I don't have. I'll check the Rulau book for scarcity.
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Valued Member
United States
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Each die is an R3, that is about 500-2000 believed to exist. The rarity is by single die. This specific combination may be more scarce.
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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Thanks to all of you for your responses.
Presumably, there are at least 2 die-pairings for each die. Is the number of known die-pairings stated for each die, please ?
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Valued Member
United States
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The answer as to die pairings would be contained in Patriotic Civil War Tokens by Fuld. Sadly, I don't have a copy. Maybe another member that does can help?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is a good buy at the price sought by the seller. This token is typically seen weakly struck. IMHO, given its F-VF condition, it'd retail in the $20-$25 range on this side of the pond. This is the only listed use of the 216 flag die. A well struck example of this pairing would command a hefty premium, methinks.
The reverse die, Fuld 293, was also paired with an undated Indian head die, 103, which is an R-5 variety. The 103 die was paired with one other die, a "Not One Cent" variety that's dated 1863, Fuld 375. Therefore, the 216/293 appears to have likewise been produced in 1863.
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Posted 09/04/2012 8:15 pm
