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 Posted 03/15/2007  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kyra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I asked our branch manager about this today. He said that so long as the credit union had a license to collect sales tax, it's OK to charge more than face value for coins. He agreed that it's probably not the best business practice, and he wondered how many credit unions know about the sales tax permit. I don't know if the laws are different in other states, but that's the way it is in Indiana anyways.

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 Posted 03/15/2007  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should try commerce bank! They will order rolls for you and free coin exchange!
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 Posted 03/15/2007  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add indianhead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It really doesn't matter if theres one person or 50 people standing in line for rolls of the prez dollars, they are only allowed to give them to you at face value no matter how much of a demand there is. I would go higher up in the credit union and file a formal complaint concerning that teller or whoever she is. Sounds as if shes trying to start her own business on the side. Certainly illegal.
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 Posted 03/16/2007  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gary: There was a Federal Law passed in 96 or 97 (I believe) that allows Credit Unions to sell "Collectible" coins and Bullion to it's members. I do however think that since the Presidential dollars are for circulation that they are off base as far as using the term "Collectible" here. I would definitely check with the Manager too see their policy as it pertains to the Federal Law of circulated coins. Whether they believe that the coins are being made strictly for Collectors may be misunderstood by them.
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 Posted 03/16/2007  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again, thanks for all the great opinions.

I really appreciate it.

I plan to stop into my credit union either Friday or next Monday, and if I learn anything new I'll report back.
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 Posted 03/16/2007  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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are only allowed to give them to you at face value no matter how much of a demand there is.

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Certainly illegal.


The mint does it 7 days a week. Same rolls that you get at a bank or a credit union... for a premium... all day long... every day. I have never heard of any law against selling money.

I have been a part of many non-profit organizations in my day in PA and NJ and not one single one of them was required to collect nor pay sales tax. They were specifically exempt from both. Do you pay sales tax on Girl Scout Cookies? I never have.
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 Posted 03/16/2007  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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The mint does it 7 days a week. Same rolls that you get at a bank or a credit union... for a premium... all day long... every day. I have never heard of any law against selling money


I guess I'm a little confused, and I certainly don't want to start an argument. But are you saying that a bank or credit union can sell a dollar bill for 5 dollars and that's legal? Kind of makes me think that if a branch manager found a radar note or something like that in brand new currency, that they can set it aside and sell it for more than face value? I guess I would agree with that if they replaced it with their own dollar and sold it from home, but I don't see the difference in doing that compared to what they're doing with the dollar coin. I have to believe that something in the whole situation is a "no no"....

I don't think I'm comparing apples to oranges here, but someone can straighten me out if they think I am.
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But are you saying that a bank or credit union can sell a dollar bill for 5 dollars and that's legal?

If they wanted to get involved in that business, why couldn't they? The coin shop right next door in the same building can do it. Everybody is so eager to say its illegal, just because they've never seen it.

If your local deli was selling rolls of coins would everyone scream it's illegal and tell them they should be giving them as change at face value?

If anyone else in the world can do it, why can't a bank or a credit union?

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 Posted 03/16/2007  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey guys, I have a great idea. Lets all take our prez dollars up to Boston and throw them in the harbor, we will show them nasty ol credit unions. Our moto "no capitalism without representation"

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 Posted 03/16/2007  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bobby, I was saying that if the sell at a profit and don't charge sale tax, that would be illegal, IMO.
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bobby, I was saying that if the sell at a profit and don't charge sale tax, that would be illegal.


Not for the Credit Union I bet. They're non-profit and probably don't have to pay or charge sales tax. No non-profit I've ever been associated with ever had to do either.


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 Posted 03/16/2007  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mishap-coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well that gives me the thought !

Why doesn't the coin wrapping buisness's, such as coinwrap and others that wrap the coins from the Ballistic Bags for the U S Mint go into the coin error buisness also ?
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 Posted 03/16/2007  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The banks and credit unions fall under a different auspice than a private business,,

it is their job to distribute coin and currency ,,they are not allowed to to do the business of coin dealer from the offices .

now if an employee wanted to buy those rolls at face value and take them out of the bank ,and sell them then legally and ethically they can do that ,, but under the roof and regulations of the credit union,bank or other similarly licensed entity it is not allowed.

I would have been standing in the CEO's office within minutes of this happening !! they would have to prove to me that it is legal and ethical for this to have happened !! and if they did not want to prove it to me then they could prove it to a Fed auditor.

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 Posted 03/16/2007  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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of the credit union,bank or other similarly licensed entity it is not allowed.


Somebody please prove it to me. Innocent until proven guilty in this country. I've seen a lot of accusations in this thread, but no one has offered up any proof. Is it ethical, no. Is it illegal, I certainly doubt it.

Kyra works in a bank and her boss said there's nothing wrong with it if the sales tax is handled right.
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 Posted 03/16/2007  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was making a deposit at my credit union this morning, but the manager wasn't in.

I'll catch her in one day and ask about the selling of coins.

Meanwhile, outside of curiosity, it makes little difference to me as I have two banks which will supply me with all the Presidential dollars I ask for.
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