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I agree with Iran if they could they would, but as of now they know it would just cost them their power they covet.

Having some nukes would give them the power to intimidate most of their neighbors and that is a fine goal in their eyes. Iran is an island floating on a sea of petroleum. They have as much need for nuclear-electric power as a fish does for a bicycle. Will be interesting to see how the next several months go on this.


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China on the other hand does care about their economy.

Do they? Or do they just see it as a means to an end? If that end can be achieved, even at significant cost to them, they might give it a shot and then hope to recover economically at their leisure. Three things that we know for sure about the Chinese is that they are: 1) the #1 gold producer in the world; #2) the #1 gold importer in the world; and 3) encouraging their people to invest in silver and gold. It's almost as if they realized that fiat currency and the economies based on them are either toast or soon will be.


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Theyve learned from the USSR if they go down the toilet so does their power.

Maybe and maybe not. Don't look now but while the USSR is toast, the Russians are back bigger and better than ever. They have a HUGE resource base and now that communism is not holding them back they are on a tear, economically and financially. A Russia-China cooperative economic organization would be incredibly powerful. I'm sure that they are both aware of this and working hard to exploit it.

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Or do they just see it as a means to an end?


They do. You trash the economy and the people turn on you and they have a lot of them. Plus youd lose the army as well. The Generals wont stand by and do nothing while they watch their money become worth nothing and all of a sudden theyre expected to live like everyone else.


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Having some nukes would give them the power to intimidate most of their neighbors and that is a fine goal in their eyes.


Yep good thing so far theyve been incompetent. If it comes down to it Isreal will bomb the heck out of them if they think a bombs weeks away from completion. Pretty much no one but Iran wants to see Iran with nukes. You might be surprised by some of the countries in the region that would join in on attacks for their own good. Irans just crazy enough to use them.


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Don't look now but while the USSR is toast, the Russians are back bigger and better than ever.


I wouldnt say better than ever theyre still a shell of their former glory during the height of the USSR but theyre doing what they can to get it back. The thing about a Russian-China partnership is it never works when both partners want to be top dog. While neither are in love with us theyd more than likely rather see us as the top dog then see the other one of them. They know theyre both more brutal than we are.
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Plus youd lose the army as well.

This is something that a dictator NEVER does as they all realize that the army is the only thing that keeps them in power. Even the idiots running North Korea make sure that their army is well equipped and fed, unlike the rest of the country outside the ruling class and their sycophants.


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You might be surprised by some of the countries in the region that would join in on attacks for their own good. Irans just crazy enough to use them.

Having watched and studied the problems in the ME for 40+ years, I can say that none of Iran's neighbors, with the possible exception of their lap-dogs in Syria and Lebanon, wants Iran to go nuclear. At the same time, none of them wants Iran to be mad at them... so they will very quietly root for the West in private while publicly supporting Iran verbally. For them to participate in an actual attack on Iran, with an uncertain outcome and them being seen on the same side as Israel, would be a combo than none of their governments would survive and they know it.


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I wouldnt say better than ever theyre still a shell of their former glory during the height of the USSR but theyre doing what they can to get it back.

A LOT of their former glory was bluff, bluster, and bull-oney. Their economy never was very good and it got steadily worse as time went on. Today, their economy is solidly built on oil, timber, gas, diamonds, titanium, chromium, gold, and other raw materials. Yes, they now have a smaller country but it is FAR better off economically than it was back in the USSR days. Their military is also smaller but of higher quality than before. All this is in relative terms, of course. Russia is NOT any place I want to live.

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This is something that a dictator NEVER does as they all realize that the army is the only thing that keeps them in power.


Exactly which is why they cant do anything that would put their economy in danger


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For them to participate in an actual attack on Iran, with an uncertain outcome and them being seen on the same side as Israel, would be a combo than none of their governments would survive and they know it.


They wouldnt have to be active participants, nor would be want them truthfully unless its an all out ground war wed much rather have us or the isrealis do it (much better trained). All theyd have to do is turn off a few radars for "repairs" at the right time


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Their military is also smaller but of higher quality than before.


The USSR military was HIGHLY trained, I would agree their equipment is probably better quality now though not being made by essentially slave labor where no one cared if it worked that well
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Parts of the USSR military was highly trained. But they also had a LOT of troops in the cannon-fodder class. Their pilots had to rely on their "controllers" to think for them and in a jet-powered dog-fight there is no time for that.

I do not think that it is an accident that the Russians AND the Chinese are both hoarding gold, big-time. There is only one reason that makes sense to be doing this and that is if they see a time coming when there are gold-backed currencies again. Having gold is one thing but actually using it for gaining political and economic power is quite another. The next few years will, indeed, be "interesting times".

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[quote/}The next few years will, indeed, be "interesting times".[/quote]
One thing to remember, and I want to state this as neutral as I can b/c it is simply a fact that can be looked up easily. Just make sure you find his own words and not buttered up versions.

Right now we have a commander in chief who hired the self-proclaimed , "active communist" Van Jones as one of his "czars." The communists while stashing gold for a possible gold based currency are also working hard to get at our power from the inside.

Yes Van Jones was removed from the position as czar, and as a communist (remember - self proclaimed), he never should have been allowed back into a government position. But he has been active in DC in other positions under this administration.

The communists are not time-sensative. They are willing to wait, stash gold for a better basis of an economy, and infiltrate. If Nov. goes the direction favorable to what it presently is, who knows how far that infiltration will be in a few years.
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