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New Member
Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska)
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I have coin that I can't find in any catalog. Can you help me? IMP C DIOCLETIANVS AVG IOVI CONSERVATORI AU 16mm, 2.67 g   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Edited by Caesar
10/20/2012 08:59 am
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Moderator
 United States
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 to the community We will also need to see a picture of the reverse. |
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New Member
 Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska)
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...and reverse. Of course, modified.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Cant seem to find a match either, are you sure this is AU?
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New Member
Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska)
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I think so. Looks like gold to me. In hand looks brighter than jewelry gold, but pictured looks just as other gold coins from that time. And this is uncleaned coin. If it is not gold, it is one heck of a copper coin. :)
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United States
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Is it possible to provide a color picture of the coin? I also can't make out what Jupiter is holding.
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New Member
Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska)
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Complete color picture is not possible at the moment. Holding thunderbolt and sceptre, as usually.   Edited by Caesar
10/22/2012 4:53 pm
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United States
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Well it does indeed appear to be gold, but I have not been able to find and exact match. The closes I got was RIC II 251, but the bust type doesn't match.
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New Member
Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska)
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And finally, I can put pictures. Thank you for help. Bye.   Edited by Caesar
10/26/2012 2:38 pm
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Quote:
It's a beauty. It certainly is  And valuable if it is indeed a genuine unlisted Gold Diocletian. Edited by bobbyhelmet
10/27/2012 1:06 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Caesar:
From the pictures, this coin looks OK, but needs to be verified before purchase. I saw an aureus that was sold at auction as a very good fake, but I could not pick it. I needed the assistance of the auctioneer (who has about 35 years' dealing experience in ancients), to explain it to me. I thought I was starting to build some skill in picking a fake, but the auctioned fake aureus beat me!
You are quite right to have the need to find a match in a catalog, but that does not necessarily mean that the coin should not be doubtful. If you are not completely happy with this coin, at least two other independent opinions would be desirable. The provenance needs tp be established and verified as well.
You say that you already own the piece. Is it possible to ask the person or company who sold or verified the coin to provide a bit more information about it?
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New Member
Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska)
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It is raw coin, I think that is name for coins that are non graded or verified or valuated. Coin was in house that I buyed with all stuff in house. Owner of house died and his doughter sells complete house with all his stuff. Guess she didn't know about his fathers hoby. In Croatia, nusmaticism was on early stages, and people back then colected just coins, nobody cared for verifying and other paper works. But auction houses I contacted are very interested in puting coin on their auctions. They estimates coin approx. at same value 9000-10000 CHF, but I think it's worth more, so I may keep it in posesion.
On the other hand, I could use some money, so, for right price I would sell it. Think that 20000 would be fair enough.
Other problem with major auction houses is that next auction for ancient coins is sheduled in long time to wait for me. If I wanna sell it, I wanna sell it now, don't wanna send coin now, and wait till July for payment. I would sell them coin directly but as I said, I'm not happy with offer. Although, we are still agotiating about terms.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Caesar:
You obviously understand that this coin is more likely to attract more buyer interest, and at a higher price, if you verify it. The choice is yours to sell verified or unverified.
However, considering my already stated lack of self confidence with unverified ancient gold coins, my preference as a buyer would be to pay more for a coin that I know was good. The potential value is just too high for me NOT to do due diligence.
That is why I would seek the opinion of someone with extensive specialist professional experience, despite my own judgement that I think that this coin is OK.
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New Member
Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska)
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Just wanted to inform you all, mistery resolved for this coin.
Now on:
"Numismatica Ars Classica | Auction 72 | 16 - 17 May 2013
Online bidding ends: 16 May 2013 09:00 CEST
Lot: 748 | Estimate: 9'000 CHF | Starting price: 7'200 CHF
The Roman Empire
Diocletian, 284 â€" 305
Quinarius, Siscia 286-289, AV 2.68 g. IMP C DIOCLETIANVS AVG Laureate and cuirassed bust l. Rev. IOVI CONSERVATORI Jupiter standing facing, head l., holding thunderbolt and sceptre. C â€". RIC â€" . Lukanc â€". King â€", cf. 3 (silver quinarius, these dies). Apparently unique and unrecorded. A very interesting portrait struck in high relief on a full flan and good extremely fine"
On my opinion, price is very very low (for unique gold diocletian), coin is uncleaned, picture is so bad, and representation is very poor. Was expecting a bit more from NAC.
Pictures that I posted here is more see like than ones on NAC.
But ok, I'll just have to wait till auction ends to see if I will regret selling this piece on NAC.
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United States
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Mystery solved. Glad to hear that you were able to have it certified. It's a beautiful and unique coin that I would expect to sell for over the estimate. Let us know how well it does.
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