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Herennia Etruscilla

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A few weeks ago I purchased this Antoninianus of Herennia Etruscilla, RIC 58b, HER ETRVSCILLA AVG, diademed, draped bust right on crescent / PVDICITIA AVG, Pudicitia standing left holding scepter & drawing veil from her face.

Once it arrived I could see evidence of a possible double strike on the obverse legend, which makes this coin even more interesting to me.

Herennia-Etruscilla

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 Posted 10/30/2012  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to mention that the flan seems huge to me at 24.13mm with the weight being 4.82g.
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 Posted 10/30/2012  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Wow jw, awesome portrait, nice big coin, with good details, I need to start picking up a few these great woman coin's too...
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 Posted 10/30/2012  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, wait a minute => that's not a Greek coin!



... ahaha => welcome back to Rome, Mr. Harper!!




It's a beautiful coin!!
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 Posted 10/30/2012  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
shes vice nice...love the obverse!
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 Posted 10/30/2012  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Mr. Harper!!
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Thanks. It's good to be back in Rome and the environs with which I'm familiar, Mr. Steve!!
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 Posted 10/30/2012  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I was merely being formal, Bing (I didn't mean to rattle you)


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 Posted 10/30/2012  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought about calling you Mr. X, but didn't want you to be confused with Malcolm.

Here is another Herennia Ertuscilla, RIC 58b, I have had for a few years. My newer coin has better detail, so I will probably be selling my other coin. If anyone is interested, PM me.

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I really don't like the look of your new purchase. The fabric looks wrong. The seller has a few fakes for sale too.
It could be paranoia though.
Martin
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Nice addition to your collection.
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 Posted 10/30/2012  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here we go again


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Nice potrait, cool double strike, and a big one to boot. Nice coin JW!
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 Posted 10/30/2012  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Done some research.
Here is a couple of examples from matching set of dies from ForgeryNetwork...

Sorry.... This seems to confirm my initial thoughts.

These are pressed.

Herennia-Etruscilla

Herennia-Etruscilla

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 Posted 10/30/2012  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I had to take care of a family matter all evening.

I see the similarities between the coins, and I agree that this coin may have been pressed. However, in hand the fabric looks good. The image I took shows much more detail than I can see with the naked eye. The seller has a 100% money back guarantee, so now I will test his guarantee. I just received the coin yesterday after nearly a three week wait. I'll keep everyone informed. Thanks Martin for the sharp eye, but too bad about the coin. I really liked it. I guess I'll be keeping my original Herennia. BTW, how did you find the who the seller was?
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 Posted 10/31/2012  05:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The flan splits on your coin look like the ones seen most commonly on pressed coins. The surfaces look like satin. The legends and devices don't show signs of striking.

The double strike/press is a nice effect and one that I have seen used a few times now. I don't believe that the result matches those that we would see from a more natural double strike.

Finding the seller was fairly simple. I assumed it was an ebay purchase and searched for "Etruscilla" and ticked the completed listings option. The coin then showed up in the serach allowing me to see other coins by the same seller.

His TETROBOL from HISTIAIA is modern. His Severus Alexander Spes denarius is a modern cast.

I was reluctant to post my initial thoughts as I had not performed any checks when posting. I fully expected a "Here he goes again..." comment. I don't want to come across as a doom monger.

This is the second time I have had to inform a collector about a fake this week and it always leaves a bad taste in the mouth. The other coin was bought through a recognised dealer with a provenance dating back to the 1970s, which is unfortunately when that fake entered the market.... The collector took some persuading but the evidence in that case was damning.

Regards,
Martin
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 Posted 10/31/2012  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Martin,
What do you think of his Trajan sestertius? I am obviously weak in spotting pressed but I believe the sestertius is a cast. When a seller comes from a country known to be hostile to collectors and has several fakes of varying versions, one has to wonder about the other coins being offered.

Has the case of the 70's fake been posted publicly? I'd be interested in seeing that one.
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