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 Posted 11/02/2012  2:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Caesar to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Can distilled water or olive oil harm gold coin on any way?
One of my gold coins have some dirt, mud on it, and I would love to get rid of it before taking pictures and posting it here. Otherwise, aureus is in condition like it was 1750 years ago.
And other question, is it normal for gold coin to darkens, why is that happening and how to prevent that?
And how to clean darkening on gold coins?
For example, you can look at my Diocletian, and darkening areas on it, especialy on edges and where are words.
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 Posted 11/02/2012  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold doesn't react to any of those. I am not sure what can cause darkening on gold.
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I've never owned a gold coin so I can't say from experience.

I have read a few things online about cleaning gold coins. Doesn't mean it's the correct way because I don't know.


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Being of a "noble metal" that doesn't itself react chemically with its environment, gold coins are not likely to discolor during cleaning although a centuries-old tone could be removed. Wash carefully in clean, warm, soapy, distilled water with a fluffy cotton washcloth or very soft toothbrush. Because gold is softer than silver, be careful even when using a soft toothbrush for cleaning, as any grit present it will make minute scratches on the surface.



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Not even the most aggressive acids in the earth can do much damage to gold coins and a quick rinse in soap and water is often enough to clean gold coins. But if the coin really does need a clean, place it for a short while in citric acid (lemon acid).

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 Posted 11/02/2012  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caesar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know is this just a illusion, but it seems to me that gold coins preserved in mud for centuries doesn't seems to change at all their gold appearance, but once unleashed from mud, and on air, they do get some darkening, some of them just slightly and some of them a lot. It's not 24 carat gold, it's 22 carat so there is probably alloys what make gold coin darken after exposed to the air and oxigen. That is only my amateur opinion, but from experiance. Could also be that at first sight, coin looks brighter to me than it realy is, and more I'm looking at it, more dark details I see. Don't know.
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 Posted 11/02/2012  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's see a photo of that coin.
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Show us a before pic and then when decide how to proceed post the after. I do not have any gold coins and I am not sure how to restore / conserve one but I think I would try soaking it in distilled water. Just a plain old water soak might release the contaminates; in fact I think it should; IMHO. Also I would avoid rubbing across the coin to avoid hairline cleaning marks that could devalue your coin. I look forward to seeing pics!
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 Posted 11/02/2012  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pics here...

https://goccf.com/t/132072

Is it just me or 2.67 g seems very light (don't know much about gold coins ) ?
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 Posted 11/02/2012  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only thing that I would do to attemt to remove any dirt is to wash it in your hand with warm water and some mild dish soap and than pat dry with a soft cloth. This is a very interesting coin that no one has been able to come up with a reference for. It's either an unlisted rare example or an extremely well made fake.
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I have been ploughing through Bastien (and suppements) as I believe the mint of origin be Lugdunum. The only gold coins in Bastien are aurei and they are typically 18-20mm with weight ranges from 4.30 gms to 4.86 gms. Denarii and quinarii are issued in bronze. This coin certainly looks gold but exactly what it is puzzles me.
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That is Diocletian Aureus Quinarius, it's almost unique coin, because since Diocletian monetary reform, half aureus have been disappeared. And it is 100% genuine.
As well as this other, that need dirt cleaning. Also rare coin, and well preserved to.
Claudius Gothicus Aureus, 5.4 g

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 Posted 11/02/2012  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are some similar gold quinarius (half aureus)...

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=81702
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 Posted 11/02/2012  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caesar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dionysos, yes I know. That one, is also best match that I could find, but from NAC they told me that this is not unique. Guess that they know for some other such exact coin from their customer which is not listed, but they have it in their private lists.
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Hmmmm, intriguing

You say that NAC told you that there were others, you mean like yours or the other that they sold (bust right) wich is already accounted for in several publications ?

I'm thinking of buying a house in Croatia, any suggestions
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 Posted 11/02/2012  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caesar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't ask details, they just told me that it is not unique.
Well, for buying a house in Croatia you must first be a lawyer, otherwise you could easily go to jail. In Croatia, we all are lawyers, and still, there are big waiting lists for jail-house. :)
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Could there be some residual copper in the alloy the coin was struck from--that has since toned?
Is that possible on Roman gold aureii?

to our group Caesar!
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I'm thinking of buying a house in Croatia, any suggestions


Kinda stealing the thread, but I would suggest Pula. Wonderful place, but I do not know the laws regarding foreigners buying in Croatia.
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