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An "Out Of The Mint" Hoard ?

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 Posted 11/02/2012  08:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm curious to know what you guys think about these ? Below are "some" (did not search thorougly) Philip II tetradrachms, LeRider 531, sold in the past years. All are from the same obv/rev dies (as far as I can see), most do not seem to have circulated much and it almost look as if they were struck one after the other (same dies state). Yet, they are all different.

Other types are known to have been struck with only one or very few dies in great numbers (Lykkeios tet., Nagidos stater,...) but I always wonder when I see so many of the same sold in so little time

Anyone is aware of a recently (10-15 years ago) found hoard of these that could have infiltrated the market ?

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 Posted 11/02/2012  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This raises questions in my mind like are they all real or could they all be faked coins using the same die? I'm just not familiar enough with these coins, and I would most certainly be fooled by any one of them if they are fakes?
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 Posted 11/02/2012  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ignore the above, mine are all cast and have the same flans, having a blonde moment

They still have a very definite similarity to the details on your coins though
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11/02/2012 10:36 am
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 Posted 11/02/2012  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bobbyhelmet, was getting to them

Yes, they are die matches, cast presumably from a genuine specimen. So, in this sense, no link with the others I've posted.

Still, I wonder ?
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 Posted 11/02/2012  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 11/02/2012  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Still, I wonder ?


Yeah, something not quite right but no proof at all.

Makes you wonder, a find of genuine coins from unknown dies not reported to the authorities and sold by the finder could easily all be branded fake when they hit the market.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...100-000.html

Say for example if these were not reported and only contained unknown dies (with lots matching) or even unknown varieties. I'm sure as the finder started selling them and buyers noticed that the coins they had bought matched others suddenly on the market a lot of suspicion would be aroused and the authenticity of the whole lot could be called into question.

I suppose in cases like that an experts 'opinion' as to real or fake would be the only 'evidence' but it would be almost impossible to be 100% sure.
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11/02/2012 11:21 am
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 Posted 11/02/2012  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dionysos ... ummm, what about this one?

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... this is definitely one of my favourite coins!!



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 Posted 11/02/2012  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steve- I dont like the coin send to me for disposal!!
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 Posted 11/02/2012  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only [other] explanation would indeed be an unreported hoard. Looking at them individually, from the pics, I personally do not see anything suspicious. But seen as a whole it does raise some questions, if not about authenticity then at least regarding the provenance.

Steve, what a lovely coin you got there, you have superior tastes
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11/02/2012 12:54 pm
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=>for anybody who doesn't know => coin.ages => Rocks!!
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 Posted 11/02/2012  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea as far as coin.ages...they do rock...I just don't feel comfy working a $900 Athens tet down to my $250 cap. The guy is sharp and I am poor...I am a bottom feeder at heart.
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