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SMACKDOWN XXVIII, ANCIENT/MEDIEVAL LIMBO
Thanks for letting me run this jw, bing!
I've been interested in some of the discussions here about the border (or lack of one) between ancient and medieval coins. In this smackdown our coins from the ancient/medieval gray area will battle it out! Post your coins minted between 500 and 1200 AD. Also, please tell us if you consider your coin to be an ancient or medieval coin. If you would like to participate in the smackdown but don't have a coin from the period, you're welcome to post a coin that is the closest you have to the dates listed above. So if you usually haunt the world coin forum and have a coin from 1642 or an ancients only guy with a 5th century roman coin, post it up.
Here's the rules..
1) At most (2) two entries per member.
2) Voting: Vote for three in order of preference, Gold (3 pts), Silver (2 pts), Bronze (1 pt).
Any coin hitting the 500-1200 AD date gets 1 point.
Any coin that hasn't been posted on the ccf forum before gets 1 bonus point...just let me know.
Anyone who hasn't entered the smackdown before gets 2 points, just let me know.
3) Host computes the vote totals and announces the winner.
Host may enter but cannot win. Winner chooses next Smackdown subject and is the
next host unless he would like to pass the honor on to another forum member.
4) You do not have to enter a coin to vote but please do try to enter something.
5) Number of golds will be the first tie breaker. If two coins have the same score and the same number of golds the host will determine winner by a coin toss.
6) Posting is open until Friday November 9th at 6 pm US central time, then voting will begin.
7)Enjoy! Edited by chrsmat71
11/04/2012 01:13 am
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Pillar of the Community
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here's an example I posted in the last smackdown...   sri lanka (singhalese kingdom) queen lilivati 1197-1212 ad King (Queen?) seated right with left arm raised, 4-line Nagari legend below arm: Sri / Raja / Lili / vati Reverse Standing king, lamp at left, globes at right most would put this in the medieval camp probably, I do to. but it just didn't look right in my collection of world coins (oldest coin that "fits" is 17th century so far), it seems much more happy with my ancients...so it is with them. |
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Sounds good chrsmat71, will get some coins put up tomorrow, need to post one more tonight to get off this 666 number, doesn't go good with my Jesus coin...  |
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here's another example, I just got this one today and wanted to show it off. note that I have never posted this coin before, so it would get a +1 bonus point.   Shahi Kings of Kabul and Ghandara, Sri Samanta Deva, 850 - 1000 A.D AE Jital; Tye 19? Obv. Elephant caparisoned Rev. Roaring lion right, left paw raised, dots above, dot below tail. Ohinda mint? I don't really know where this coin belongs, I guess if I had to pick it would be medieval. but again, it's going in with my ancients. seems more similar to my ancient indo greeks artistically than anything else, even though it is copper (i think) and not bronze. |
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United States
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eng! I was thinking about your awesome jesus coin...post that sucker up!
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Bulgaria
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Basiliscus Tremissis O: D N bASILIS"CUS P P AVG Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust of Basiliscus right. R: VICTORIA AVGVSTORVM Victory walking to front, head left, holding crown with depending ties and globus cruciger, star in lower right field, CONOB in exergue.   Byzantine Empire, Basil I the Macedonian & Constantine Constantinople mint, 868 - 879 A.D.; obverse +IhS XPS REX REGNANTIUM *, Christ seated facing on lyre-backed throne, wearing nimbus cruciger, tunic and himation, right raised in blessing, holding gospels in left hand; reverse bASILIOS ET COnSTAnT AUGG b, facing busts of Basil I, with short beard in loros on left, and Constantine, beardless in chlamys on right, both crowned holding long patriarchal cross between them;   |
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United Kingdom
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I no longer own any coins that would fit this date range. I did have a small collection of pre-Norman English silver pennies that would scrape in at the end date but they were dispersed to make way for Ancients. My Roman coins stop well before the start date. I think I will sit this one out as I don't think posting images of coins I owned years ago is in the spirit of the Smackdowns.  Martin |
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Ahh! I have a coin for this which should arrive in the next week or so...  And I'msure someone else will have an example of it to show off! And also in that parcel should be 6 mystery 'Ancient/Medieval coins' (including 2 silver). Sounds like the perfect thing to enter here. God's speed parcel. |
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Any coin hitting the 500-1200 AD date gets 1 point Justinian I AE FollisDate: Year 32 (558-559 AD)Diameter: 30.7 mm Weight: 17.3 grams Obverse: Helmeted and cuirassed bust of Justinian I, holding globus cruciger and shield. Reverse: Large M   ... this is my one and only coin from that time frame (man, I need to buy more coins!!)Oh, and beautiful coins, chrsmat71 & t0rressEdited by stevex6
11/04/2012 08:32 am
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Geesh => I'm waiting for Masis to send-in his nuke from SMACKDOWN #1 (ummm, hopefully this won't be a repeat of the same coins?)  |
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United States
4253 Posts |
I'm one of those that collect mainly the "Ancients", so I have generally stayed away from this category of coins. However, I have two I will enter that barely meet the criteria. Coin 1: Justinian I, AE Follis, SB 160, struck at Constantinople sometime during the reign, 527-565 AD. OBV: DN IVSTINIANVS PP AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right REV: Large M, star to left, cross above, star right, officina letter below, mintmark CON 10g, 28mm  Coin 2: Justin II, AE Half Follis, SB 369, struck at Nicomedia, 565-578 AD OBV: D N IVSTINVS P P AVG, Justin on left, Sophia on right, seated facing on double-throne, both nimbate, Justin holding cross on globe, Sophia holding sceptre, sometimes with cross between their heads, sometimes with vine pattern below REV: large M, ANNO to left, cross above, regnal year to right, officina letter below, mintmark NIKO 12.9g, 29mm  |
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United States
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Well there is some stiff competition this time....Im gonna need...THE BIG GUNZ! Persia, The Sassanid Kingdom Khusro II The Great King Shah of Persia (590-628 AD) Minted during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad. AR 31.5mm x 0.8mm Drachm (4.13g) Obverse: Portrait of the King Khusro II wearing great hat. 3 moons and stars in concentric rings. Reverse: Zoroastrian Fire temple altar with 2 attendants. Concentrics rings, 4 moons and stars. By this time Rome existed in the east, Parthia had fallen to the Sassanid Dynasty and Zoroastrianism was the major religion of the civilized east. In 625 The Prophet Muhammad was dictating the Koran. This coin is an exceptional shape for its type with an amazingly good reverse. One can clearly see the Altar! These coins, are often listed by major auction houses and catalogs along side ancient coins. The have a unique style very different from previous styles of coins. The have a very large, thin planchet stuck in fine silver. A truly magnificent coin shining through, a time when darkness, illertasy,death and barbarism where the norm. The mighty Persian Empire again flourished and kept the comparatively weak Byzantine rulers from expanding deep in to the East. The Sassanids eventually fell to Muslim rule ushering in a new age. This particular coin and this ruler represent truly transitional coinage, in a time when the very fabric of the civilization is up for grabs.  |
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Spain
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This is not my range of coins,but I will share my only two coins of this periode..... Anastasius I FOLLIS OF 40 NUMMIA THE LAST Roman emperor Anastasius I (491-518 A.D. ). Diameter: 33 mm.   Some people tell that Anastasius ids the last Roman emperor,and other say that is the first after Roman empire¿¿?Then,for me is the last ancien coin. Pere I (Barcelona) PERE I (1196-1213). Barcelona. Diner. (Crus.V. S. 300). ANV.: Cross with center button. @BARQINONA. Rev.: Cross with rings in the spaces. PE-TR' -RE-1X1. 0.89 GRS.   Peter II of Aragon, the Catholic (Huesca, July 1178) - Muret (present-day France) September 13 1213), king of Aragon, count of Barcelona[PERE I] (1196-1213) and lord of Montpellier (1204-1213). Son of Alfonso II the Chaste of Aragon and Sancha of Castile and Polonia Both coinS are at the limit....500 and 1200 AC |
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Some people tell that Anastasius ids the last Roman emperor,and other say that is the first after Roman empire¿¿?Then,for me is the last ancien coin. He is the first emperor in the Byzantine series. For that and also the fact that his reign started after the end of the ancient era in 476 AD, I consider Anastasius medieval. I know that isn't the prevailing view but that's the way I like to see it. |
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well, I hope the topic is ok....maybe on saturday night when I'm having some beers I shouldn't be put in charge of the smackdown.  don't forget the date limit is for the bonus point and not for what can be absolutely posted. if you don't have a coin from between 500-1200 post the closest thing you've got. like I have this 5th century arcadius, he would be nice to add tot he mix..  m67s first coin strikes me as totally ancient. his second as totally medieval, even though it is from the same time as my first coin, which I'm less sure on how to classify. |
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Hmmm, I always do my best thinking after a few drinks ... well, until the morning comes and then I find out that nobody could understand what I was saying (*hic*) ... chrsmat71 => so far, so good ... what could go wrong? |
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