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The Movie "Yanks" In a scene at a United States officer club in Britain during WWII there is a slot machine which paid out in dimes: both Mercury AND Roosevelt dimes!    The movie "Titanic" The dime Rose gives to Jack to pay for her portrait is a Barber dime appropriate to the time period.   
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The movie "Unouchables" The scene outside the court room where Frank Nitti empties his pockets for Elliot Ness. Among other coins is a Standing Liberty quarter. Hollywood got that one right.
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Quote: Before his trip, the man preparing him hands him appropriate money, including a "fifty-cent piece." The character's response is "maybe you should hang onto this, it might be valuable." "Of course it's valuable, it's worth fifty cents." ... you'd think he'd have something to say about Ben Franklin being on the coin. Never read the book, but my thought was it would have to have been a Kennedy half dollar. First, if you show President Kennedy a Half Dollar from the future with his own portrait on it, then he has to believe you when you say "Mr. President, your life is in danger!" Second, the coin might be valuable because if the mission is successful, the Kennedy half dollar would never exist.  That being said, I will not bore you with all of the potential temporal paradoxes. 
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Jbuck, the book goes into those paradoxes. I don't think it's too strong to say that 11/22/63 is King's best book since The Stand (I personally am not a fan of The Stand, but that makes me pretty much a heretic among King fans and I will say that structurally and thematically, the book is EXCELLENT. I just didn't care for the heavy-handed religious overtones--there's a right way to do a religious allegory and a wrong way to do a religious allegory and IMHO, this was the wrong way). You should read it, you really should.
OH AND WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT MAY I PLEASE RANT FOR A MOMENT ABOUT PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN. The cursed treasure in the movie is the "treasure of Cortez himself" and they repeat this, multiple times, ad nauseum. Disney did a phenomenal job with the historical consistency on this movie--I was in a theatre class in high school the year it came out, and I got permission from my teacher to do a research project with friends elsewhere via the Internet (so our research group of three was actually a research group of six and the other three members were in Vancouver, Boston, and Colorado). It was a research project about how you would use historical pieces in a set. Guess what: the details of the first PotC movie--from Elizabeth's dress being "the latest fashion in London" to Jack's manacles to the Royal Navy's blunderbusses to the style of the warming pans used in the Governor's household--all place the story squarely between 1750 and 1780. Not too shabby, all things considered, and even moreso when you consider that it's supposed to be a "fantasy time period" (such that creatures like the Kraken and an Incan curse can actually be real); it also jibes pretty well with the real Golden Age of Piracy having ended about 25 years before, since all through the second and third movies there are near-constant references to "the age of pirates coming to an end". All told, it's fantastic, a wonderful piece of historic workmanship EXCEPT FOR THOSE BLINKETY-BLINKING BLANKETY-BLANK INCAN COINS!!!
Look them up. A quick Google search for "pirates of the caribbean incan coin" will provide both modified-for-mass-sale and in-movie results, nice clear ones. In addition to the coins having a modern, not Incan motif they look like they were cut with a frakking laser. Keep in mind these coins were supposed to be provided to Cortez, so, mid-1500s. NOW LOOK AT THEM. JUST LOOK AT THEM. DEFINE FOR ME ONE WAY IN WHICH THEY LOOK EVEN REMOTELY LIKE THEY ARE FROM THE 1530s. ONE. (They're supposed to be pure gold and they don't even look like that!) They're all a uniform size and thickness, the images on each are IDENTICAL and all struck precisely the same. This isn't just something in the background of a shot, either. They are waving one of these coins in your face for the entire movie and their existence is what drives the entire plot. There are multiple shots of Jack and Barbossa playing with the coins while they're in the chest and the climax of the film is Will dropping one. It's even more insulting because honestly, if you can figure out what kind of manacles Jack should be wearing and that the red dress Elizabeth is given to wear is a style that almost immediately predates the "latest fashion" she's given by her father, you should be able to design a realistic-looking cursed coin. It's been a few years since I've seen the movie, but I'm pretty sure there's even a shot of Jack paying for something with period-appropriate (or at least, period-appropriate-looking) coinage. SO WHY ON EARTH DID THEY FALL DOWN SO HARD ON THE INCAN COINS. REALLY GUYS, WHY.
ARRRRRGH!
(and yes, I am in this rant ignoring the fact that each of the cursed pirates had to bleed on one of the coins in order to come back to life, but it's demonstrated multiple times that they don't bleed. Trust me, that irked me too.)
Edited by ninamason 02/16/2013 03:18 am
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I HAVE A NEW ONE. And it spans two movies. (Okay, it's more of a "knowledge" error, but it relates to knowledge of money.)
Captain America: SPOILERS AHOY, Steve basically goes into suspended animation in late 1942/early 1943 and wakes up in spring, 2012.
So at the start of The Avengers he's been in the present-day for . . . MAYBE two months, max? There's a lot of stuff that suggests it hasn't been that long (probably the most blatant is that he's shocked the US military still needs weapons to use against threats that aren't angry demigods, even though he's been working with a military-related government agency since his return, but location shots in Captain America and Avengers both provide some handy innocent bystander wardrobes for seasonal comparison). Fury makes him a $10 bet, which Steve loses.
. . . . and then in the scene where he pays up, you see him pull a modern, colorized $10 bill out of his wallet with barely a flick of a glance to see what color it is before handing it over. He never checks the denomination or the President on the front. Who here (who's from the US) checks the color of their bills instead of the denomination, and how did he learn to do it in such a short amount of time when the time he left still had $10 silver certificates with extremely different designs? (bonus question: if the answer is "it was the only bill in the wallet and he knew it," then why would a man with absolutely zero credit card/debit card experience not be carrying more cash?)
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Quote: First, if you show President Kennedy a Half Dollar from the future with his own portrait on it, then he has to believe you when you say "Mr. President, your life is in danger!"
Depends on the Half's date. If you showed him a 2013 Silver Proof JFK, he'd say "Okay, so I didn't live to be 96, what's the big deal?" Or he might even think he dies at 95 years old in 2012, and they revised the Half in 2013 to pay tribute to him.  1964, though, now you're talkin'... 
Edited by DNA 05/23/2013 9:44 pm
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Riding a commuter train at times I meet miscellaneous people from all walks of life. Not long ago on one ride I met a person that was in the advertising buisness. He worked for a really large advertising company and we discussed some of these errors on programs. He laughed and said you would be shocked at how much of those are done purposely. People have a tendancy to remember something that irritates them more that something pleasing. An add or story make purposely wrong is remembered a lot more by some than just a nicely done one. Think about how many things like this on TV you've seen and talked about with others. Some adds are done so much to irritate people that they serve a purpose more than a nice pleasing add. Add people have to be smart enough to find ways to make you remember their work. And a wrong thing about coins may just do the job.
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Errors in tv and movies uually are on purpose. Usually, if things were correct, it would bore the viewer and not keep them interested. For example, any and all law shows or movies. If proper courtroom procedure was portrayed, the viewers would fall asleep. Similar to cop shows which are even worse in relation to accuracy on policy and procedure. Coins in shows and movies are portrayed to interest, not to be accurate.
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Why should numismatics be any different than other fields that the movies & TV take liberties with? They are always using improper firearm techniques, misplacing geographic features, distorting historical facts, etc. My favorite is the Hawaii Five O episode dealing with a fake 1913 V nickel made from another date with a blowtorch & wire brush (ouch!)
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Nina, Hello to a fellow King Fan! In case you didn't know, his new book "Joyland" comes out next month. To anyone here who hasn't read 11/22/63, you really should. It is a GREAT book. Quote: Before his trip, the man preparing him hands him appropriate money, including a "fifty-cent piece." The character's response is "maybe you should hang onto this, it might be valuable." "Of course it's valuable, it's worth fifty cents." This took place before his first "test" trip back. There was no mention of Kennedy that I can recall until after this. The "fifty cent piece" he gave the gate keeper may have been a Walker or Barber. although it was ages before my time, I'm sure that in 1958 they would have been common in circulation still. At another point he forgets to leave his modern change in the present and fears that he will be picked up by the FBI if he spends a clad dime in the fifties so he disposes of the coins that were from after the date he went back. If I remember correctly, he was able to keep some non-silver coins. That makes sense since it is still common to find pre-1958 nickels and pennies. imagine getting one of those 50+ year old coins that has 100+ years of circulation today. That would be pretty special, but you'd never know it. 
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I was reading some Batman book and Two-Face (just before getting the acid in his face and going crazy) goes to his basement and pulls out an inherited Morgan dollar... from 1918! You might want to get that authenticated!!
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In the movie lawless, when selling moonshine they get paid with national banknotes which are appropriate from the 1931 timeperiod.
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Oh, I just thought of one.. Well.. almost..
In an episode of CSI, Grisham (i think thats his name..) was able to catch the bad guy because there were currency straps on the floor.. or something... the details there arent important, but he said that the bills are wrapped so tightly by the mint that it is impossible to get them out of the straps without tearing them. Hmm... Last time I had a wrapped stack of bills, it was very easy to remove them and keep the strap intact.
I stopped watching after that episode.
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Quote: ...so tightly by the mint that it is impossible to get them out of the straps without tearing them... I thought you were going to point this out as the error. 
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The flip side to this topic is that British television (especially time period pieces) is fantastic with production values (including coins and currency). Shows like Poirot (1930s)and Foyle's War (1940s), for example, all have episodes where time accurate coins are laying out in plain sight. My favorite is the Sherlock Holmes (Jeremy Brett) episode where he is trying to coax information out of a guy and is holding up as payment in full camera shot an authentic and circulated Queen Victoria gold sovereign.
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