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 Posted 04/04/2014  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep you spotted it I am not sure what the seller was up to. There is no way JUSTITIA is going to be 14mm long...and correctly identifying the coin would likely get around the same price
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New acquisition. Hafner 35. In Hafners catalog it is listed as Milan but Dr Leypold after the publication of Hafner's book reassessed the attribution as being Florence. I think this is my 7th or eighth example. It has the best edge I have seen of this variety and appears to confirm what Broome stated( based on only three coins) that the edge irons were separated in a very unusual way. One edge iron had "JUSTITIA" (the usual for the last 200+ years is "JUSTITIA ET") the edge Iron had "ET CLEMENTIA"

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 Posted 05/08/2014  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
austrokiwi- beautiful example!
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 Posted 05/13/2014  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After over ten years of collecting MTT I have just obtained the highest grade London mint example I have ever seen. I have no idea how it matches up to US grading but I would give it an AUNC grade. What I find interesting is this coin shows the,known, poor detail in the strike. On the obverse the hair, and on the reverse the top crown and in the Eagle the left hand crown.

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 Posted 05/13/2014  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, what a gem, it's an amazing coin !!
Please post your own pictures as well if possible, I long to see how it looks under natural light / how the coin reflects light :)
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 Posted 05/13/2014  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What I find interesting is this coin shows the,known, poor detail in the strike. On the obverse the hair, and on the reverse the top crown and in the Eagle the left hand crown.

For the same grade, a Paris restrike no matter type 1 or type 2, the stated details are much better than London strike.

Henry

P.S. Sorry not to have time to phone you when I was in Vienna or Salzburg.
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Henry: no worries re the phone call. The photo is mine...I will try to take a better one( that one was taken with axial lighting) The coin wasn't expensive I paid the equivalent of US$32.00 for it. I think the surprise was finding one at such a high grade. The most useful thing about the coin is that it shows the very poor detail clearly. On a lower grade coin it is very hard to distinguish the poor detail from wear.
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 Posted 05/14/2014  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, you had a nice hit, indeed it was cheap !
As for the picture, well ... you clearly know how to take great pictures, I though it was one from an auction house :D
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The following is my newly acquired MTT restrike obtained recently. It looks like a Vienna specimen (feather 1-2-1 arrangement) and there are two dots on the central Austrian sheild. A die crack is also seen on the reserve side. 8 pearls on the Queen's crown. Unclear edge lettering implies it is a relatively recent strike.

What keep me from assigning a Hafner category for it is the saltire of this coin. It does not look like a commonly encountered Vienna saltire. So I need your comment on this coin. Can anyone give a correct Hafner number for this coin? Thank you in advance. Henry

The coin is 27.86 gr., 40.3-40.5 mm
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 Posted 05/14/2014  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Earlier to day I was going through my files. and looked at a picture of the 1937 swiss strike....from memory your coin looks like it
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 Posted 05/16/2014  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really a Swiss strike? I should be happy to add this rare strike in my MTT collection. But I can't find a Hafner category in his lexicon.

From another source you sent me years ago, austrokiwi, "Errata for Hafners lexicon" (Feb. 2010) shows it is H76 - a variety mostly found in America.

In fact, I really bought this coin from an American ebay seller.

Austrokiwi, can you confirm it is a H76 specimen?

Henry
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I am more than 100 % sure your coin isn't H 76: H76 weighs around 73.02 grams not surprising when it isn't made of silver:

In my article I only used H76 as it was very close in appearance to the Silver strike from the same country. Heres a photo of H76( 900 standard gold)

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I have been focusing on a very exciting and shocking discovery in the Austrian Archives. So I haven't taken the time to go back to the one article that exists on the silver swiss strike. The discovery is awaiting confirmation( I am having an official translation being done to ensure I haven't misread the old German). If it is confirmed then a significant part of the current cataloging of the MTT is wrong. The semi good news is the coins it effects are most likely older than currently believed and, for one small group of them, the engraver will be known. There may be an effect on market value( with some coins increasing in value as they will have a story behind them).

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 Posted 05/17/2014  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Henry: I dragged the article of Leypold out ( on the swiss silver strike) the saltire on the example pictured is very similar to yours. but the "1" in the date doesn't match. The picture is very poor and the article is only 4 very short paragraphs
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 Posted 05/22/2014  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If any one is interested this seller( I don't know them) is selling to very nice examples of post war Paris mint MTT:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pieces-en...em1c40d82986
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I dragged the article of Leypold out ( on the swiss silver strike) the saltire on the example pictured is very similar to yours...


Hello Ian, I flip over the whole Lexicon of the MTT, there finds no any Swiss strike specimen here. Would you show your information about my current coin in this thread? No matter how many paragraphs or how poor the picture is, please let me know more about this "new" MTT restrike.
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