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As a noob, what is "verdigris"?


verdigris - noun;

a bright bluish-green encrustation or patina formed on copper or brass by atmospheric oxidation, consisting of basic copper carbonate.

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Correct, Carl. Most nail polish remover has much MORE than acetone in it!

I had an 1863 Indian cent in my 7070 Type Set album that was COVERED in verdigris. I decided to test the suggested solutions and grabbed my bottle of acetone (NOT nail polish remover. Goof Off! seems fairly pure). The suggestion I read said to try distilled water first, then acetone. I didn't have any distilled water, but I had some bottled water which seemed to be more reasonable than tap water (I'm not sure why that made sense at the time. That might have been the beer talking). I poured a bit into a cup over the coin and left it for about half an hour. I was not surprised that it had no effect, so I pulled it out of the cup and dabbed it off with a lint-free cloth so I could move on to acetone. I was surprised to see patches of green on the cloth, so I dabbed the coin some more. With a VERY gentle rub I was able to remove ALL of the verdigris from the coin. Don't underestimate the ability of a soak in water to solve the problem, but next time I will buy some distilled water (or capture some rain water) to minimize contaminates.
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 Posted 07/22/2013  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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(or capture some rain water) to minimize contaminates.

Much, much worse than even most tap waters. One of the reasons vegetation grows so good from rain is it contains al sorts of STUFF that was in the air. Mostly Nitrates but also, if in a Sulfur burning area, Sulfites and Sulfates. Those and much more mixes with the water folling from the sky and although great for vegetation, not so good for coins. One massive problem that has been in the news a lot is what is called Acid Rain. This happens when Sulfur is burned to form Sulfur Oxides and that mixes with moisture in the air to form an Acid. Many companies, power stations and steel mills, that use Coal that is rich in Sulfur are resposible for this.
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Much, much worse than even most tap waters. One of the reasons vegetation grows so good from rain is it contains al sorts of STUFF that was in the air. Mostly Nitrates but also, if in a Sulfur burning area, Sulfites and Sulfates. Those and much more mixes with the water folling from the sky and although great for vegetation, not so good for coins. One massive problem that has been in the news a lot is what is called Acid Rain. This happens when Sulfur is burned to form Sulfur Oxides and that mixes with moisture in the air to form an Acid. Many companies, power stations and steel mills, that use Coal that is rich in Sulfur are resposible for this.


I thought nitrates were mostly due to runoff (via fertilizers) and more likely to be in the local water supply than in the rainwater. Sulfides are indeed a problem in some areas, but I live in the boonies where land based pollution (nitrates) are more of a problem than acid rain pollutants (sulfides).

Regardless, a 30 minute soak in tap water, rain water or bottled water would seem to be better than acetone for a first step. Distilled water would be best if treating lots of coins, but to try it out on one coin to see, any reasonable drinkable water source would be a good test. I would argue that tap water (with flourides) and bottled water (with flavor enhancers) are certainly no better than rain water. I used Deer Park Natural Spring water which claims to be 100% pure spring water, but springs, by definition, have mineral deposits that would likely play a role.
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 Posted 07/23/2013  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Distilled water is best to use when using water.
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Agreed, distilled water would be best. If I ever need to remove verdigris again, I will buy some distilled water. I was sure it wouldn't do any good and was ready to move on to acetone, so I just used some bottled water I had handy that was at room temperature. I was very pleasantly surprised by how a 30 minute soak in just water with a gentle rub of a lint-free cloth did the trick!
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A funny story about bottled water was that in the news not long ago a company was caught filling their bottles with tap water. And it was labled as pure. I've taken some so called distilled water and allowed to evaporate in a clean, clear dish in a sort of sealed invironment. It left a residue. I've done this with tap water, bottled water claiming pure, bottled spring water, water taken from wells and everyone left a residue. Although distilled is probably the best and safest, it may not be as pure as people think. Try it sometimes.
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You can just boil water to see the reside. You can also create your own distilled water on the stove if you wish. I was cleaning a lower grade coin that had endured many hardships so I didn't bother distilling the bottled water I used. If I were going to do it again then I would make or buy distilled water.
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Will it remove this finger print?

Depends. If a recent print, Acetone should remove it and no problem. IF, it's been there for a long time may be to late.
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just carl. Thanks. Don't know if it is a recent print. Received it on Friday. Hope to get a response from the seller tomorrow before I try to get rid of it.
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If the print has been there for a while and won't come off with acetone (and sometimes acetone can't get recent prints off either) a dip may work on it.
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Fade. Dip meaning?
New at this stuff.
Thanks
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Fade. Dip meaning?
New at this stuff.
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If that fingerprint is more than 4 days old, it's there for good.

"Dipping" a coin describes stripping the surfaces with thiourea, an acid which attacks silver. In numismatics it's best-known under the brand name "E-Zest." The use of that substance counts as one of the harshest of cleaning methods and the easiest way to completely screw up a coin short of a wire brush; although there are very narrow conditions under which this treatment might be recommended, it is not for the faint of heart or anyone but a collector extremely experienced in its' proper application. Fingerprint or not, I would not bring that coin within half a mile of thiourea.
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