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Bit Coins Surpass The Price Of Silver!

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 Posted 03/23/2013  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Bit coins look to me to be very similar to a web based Ponzi scheme. The miners are paid with the investments other miners are putting in,to mine the bits that they get paid for. Only this takes smarts, time, and a good graphics card. Am I wrong? Someone down the road is going to get the short end of the stick.


That's one of the interesting things about Bitcoins as, on their own, they categorically cannot be a ponzi scheme as there can only be a finite number of them created. Also, the more coins their are, the fewer are created due to the algorithm used to distribute them, and at that point the Bitcoin economy switches over from "mining" Bitcoins as rewards to processing transactions and collecting transaction fees. The math and procedures behind it are actually quite fascinating.

This, of course, doesn't stop people from making ponzi schemes *with* Bitcoins just like people make ponzi schemes with US Dollars. :-)
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 Posted 03/23/2013  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jenger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just think it is definitely worth keeping an eye on. If we all bought in when I made this post, you would of been able to buy a 1oz silver round just from that 1btc maturing (and still have $4x worth of btc)
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 Posted 03/23/2013  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eupion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been trying to do a little research on this topic every few days. I'm still really confused with how the whole mining process works and where you can exchange the bitcoins/litecoins.

It seems like a very interesting way to make a bit of cash on the side, but since I don't know squat about computers, I'm confused beyond belief. There are normal programs we need to mine, then we need some kind of online wallet, and then we need another program to exchange the coins for whatever your flavor is? Or does one program do everything for you?

And I figured it's just like any online game, you just gotta play it to figure it out. I just haven't gotten around to just trying it yet. Probably because I only got a laptop at home (which I've read somewhere not to use, unless you want to burn it out) and I don't want to risk my work computers from being slow or anything like that.

And another thing, why the need for so many graphic cards?

Hopefully I'll have all my questions answered here, but in the mean time, I'll just browse whatever google tosses my way.
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 Posted 03/23/2013  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Earlier this week, the de facto face of bitcoin Max Keiser was shooting his mouth off
about being a bitcoin millionaire. On today's show he talks about it being a Ponzi scheme or not
But not a word on the zero hedge article which talks about the US wanting to regulate it via money laundering laws

http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-422-710/
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 Posted 03/23/2013  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jenger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You mine bitcoins & litecoins by running programs that either use your GPU (graphics cards) to mine. It isn't like a normal program, mining uses a buttload of energy. Some PC's (like mine) wouldn't be worth mining as it would use more electricity than it would produce in btc. The more and more btc that is mined, the more the "difficulty" raises. Obviously when the difficulty raises, its harder to get btc.

You can exchange btc & ltc here http://www.btc-e.com

Mining will soon become useless as a hobby as they are soon releasing asic computers that mine incredibly fast and will blow GPU mining out of the water. But remember, the more btc that is mined, the harder it gets to mine them so once everybody has a hold of these asics, the difficulty is going to shoot up.

And only 21,000,000 bitcoins can ever be mined.

If bitcoins were gold, litecoins would be silver.
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 Posted 03/23/2013  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rgathright to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do not mine bitcoins. The difficulty is to high for any real results.

I mine Litecoins because they are easier to make. You can make a few now using a dual core or better PC. Visit ltc.kattare.com to get started. I use this pool.

The electricity theory is debunked now that I make 20 Litecoins a day (worth $.5 USD/each) with a total power draw of 4Kwh. I write several computer hardware articles about this type of equipment and measured each PC with a Kill-a-watt meter to get Kwh readings.

I get no commission for telling you this and only really do so in these forums because crypto-currency is already an active, high-value market that you need to know about. There are many LTC owners that trade for silver.
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 Posted 03/23/2013  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rgathright to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ASIC and other RISC architecture will not work with Litecoins yet. We still have at least 6 months before they hit the Litecoin mining community.
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 Posted 03/24/2013  04:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I get no commission for telling you this


I'm not that familiar with Litecoins, and sorry for sounding rude, but I wonder:

1. Why would you try to convince us to try and mine Litecoins? As more mined, it will become increasingly harder to mine new ones.. (hence, you're harming yourself).

2. If we mine Litecoins, and sell them, the market supply will increase, pushing the prices down (hence, harming you again).

When I would like to discuss an ebay auction, I first buy the item, and only then bring to the attention of others. I wonder if it is the case here.

(once again, sorry if it is rude, but I'd like to understand your motives).
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 Posted 03/24/2013  07:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rgathright to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes my motives may sound unclear but offsite I am getting emails from members here who are interested in Litecoins and trading.

My interest is to help you understand how these work so that if anyone wishes to trade with Litecoins they will know it is a solid form of currency trade.

I have already filled several trades and enjoy having little traceability since USD were not involved. The traditional banking system tracking history of USD has been removed.

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This is where we are trading right now... as this forum is more interested in the banking side of Litecoins, this link should answer many of your questions around my motives.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=51.0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> br / https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=51.0
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 Posted 03/28/2013  04:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well it seems Bitcoin took its show on the road and
guess where they placed their 1st ATM? That's right
CYPRUS !
http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/201...-cyprus.html


Bit-Coins-Surpass-The-Price-Of-Silver!
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 Posted 03/28/2013  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sodude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The same guys who pumped silver are going to pump bitcoins.
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 Posted 03/28/2013  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arcticsparky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The same guys who pumped silver are going to pump bitcoins.


I won't be. I like to be able to physically hold my assets, and silver is my favorite.
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 Posted 03/30/2013  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lincsus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tried but could not make sense of what is going on. What is all this trade based on? Some physical asset somewhere?
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 Posted 03/31/2013  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arcticsparky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope it's backed by nothing just like our own dollar. People are paying to play a game winners are paid from the proceeds coming in from more players. There is only value as long as people keep playing.
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03/31/2013 12:55 pm
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